Mr. Hanky Interview: SECRET Recipe for Producing Hit Records

I try to make music that people can recognize when they're drunk or high in the club. And every hit record has that element. Every popular artist has that element. If you do it to where they can recite it and sing along with it as you know, the tequila shots are coming, you win it. So what you're saying is to make a hit record, take shots of tequila and smoke gas. Yeah. One more time exclusive. One time. I am extremely thrilled to be welcoming in today on the One More Time podcast. It's everyone's favorite Christmas poo from South Park. It's Mr. Hankey, baby. Ew. Never thought we'd had a cartoon character on the pod. There you go, in real life. Right. South Park was a part of our childhood. I put my South Park hat on. Is that where you got the name? That's exactly where the name came from. Yeah, beautiful. This is Mr. Hankey, but it's super producer version of Mr. Hankey. Let's go.

Mr. Hankey Beat. You know what I mean? That's what we got. Yeah. That's right. Damn, bro. I mean, for those that aren't familiar, just to name a few of the hits, you got Smile, Living My Best Life. You got Twerkulator, you got good love. I could keep going, throw it off. We take the whole Yeah, throw it off. Throw it off is going crazy. That's a classic. Yes. Yeah, we're trying to um trying to put out a whole new version of that soon. So be on the lookout for that. What do you mean by that? Um, it was such an iconic record, man. And um, you know, people doing a lot of sampling. I sample a lot as a producer, but um I'm looking to do a whole new version of the record with, you know, newer artists, you know, like, you know, probably get like a 21. Um, you know, because he he lives this the phrase fuck everybody, you know. Yeah. So that's true. You know, that type of energy, you know, put a newer energy on it. I feel like fuck everybody is a timeless just concept that is going nowhere. Exactly. Yeah. Even though it says fuck everybody, it's not like really like fuck everybody.

It's just like, you know, I'm doing my own thing. Yeah. This is kind of a whole wave though, right? Like the nostalgia, people recreating older songs. I know Nelly Choppa did um, I can't remember which one he did. He did it. Uh, Hot in Herre with Nelly. Yep, Nelly, you got the pony remake. Yeah. Looked like Flo Milli. Um, it's it's a big thing right now. Okay, but let me ask you this. I look at some of that stuff as a consumer, and I just like to dissect like why things are happening this way. I look at it as like, is there just a lack of creativity? Are we and I see this with TV shows and movies where it's like, why are we recycling shit? Can we not innovate? Can we not create? But what's your answer or like response to that? I mean, for me, when I first started sampling, this is like 2013. This is after the fuck everybody song. And um everybody was coming to me for that same type of song, say same thing. So I just got tired of it. And um, I still make those kind of records and stuff. But um, I was working with my man Colonel Loud, and um he wanted something like that, and I that's when I came up with the California song.

They had the Frankie Beverly and Mays sample. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So for me... Was that 2015 or something, that was on every radio station, man, for a minute, man. Super rotation, man. Yes. And uh man, RP Dolph, Dolph jumped on it. Right. It took off. And uh for me, it was just on some creative stuff because you know, hip hop started from sampling, you know, because most of the artists coming up, they didn't have, you know, these crazy machines and stuff, you know, because back then you had to go, you know, it wasn't, you know, you weren't making there was no fruity loops back when things started. So you had to, you know, either you had a million dollar studio with all this equipment, or you just had a couple of turntables and had to figure it out. Yeah, yeah. There's definitely some kids out there being like, I don't want to think about a time when there was no fruity loop, no FL studio. Believe it or not, there was no Fruity Loop. How would my drums even sound the same? There's kids in Band Lab like making hits in science class now. It's crazy.

So fire, bro. It's amazing. All right. So I want to start off with this. So you tweeted this recently. The main reason why there hasn't been a number one single in rap in 2023 is because no one is being produced. Everyone wants you to send them a pack as if they know what it, as if they know what it uh a hit sounds like, excuse me. Exactly. Preach. So for those that aren't familiar, like what does it mean for an artist to be produced? What are you saying? So, you know, I had the privilege of coming up. Um when I first started, I worked on the Collipark, Mr. Collar Park. And so him, his uh brother Derek, sister Charlotte. And um, as a young producer, you know, I thought it was just about making beats. And as I would be in the studio with them, we'd be with Soulja Boy, Hurricane Chris, um, uh Yin-Yang twins. Like, we would literally put the whole song together. Like, literally sit there and say, Um, you know, what you're going through, um, and make songs about that and really talk through the whole process, really, you know, produce the song, literally. You know, like, okay, you should sing it like this, or you should rap about this.

You know what I'm saying? To like really help produce the product. And nowadays, you know, you're barely even in a studio with artists now. Yes. You know, you got a bunch of in-between people, um, and they're like, yo, just send me the pack. Like, what? You know what I'm saying? It's almost, it's the equivalent to saying, like, you know, like all men joke about with women, you know, they say, uh, well, baby, what do you want to eat? She said, I don't know, I'm just hungry. Right. It's the same thing. Like, what exactly do you want? So that's what, you know, that's why And then you're like Chipotle. She's like, no. Right. You're like, well, you didn't tell me like what you wanted. How am I supposed to read? Yeah. I'm not a mind reader. It's not even just saying, like, well, Chipotle, is it's you went to Chipotle and you brought it home and you gave it to her, and then she says, like, well, that's not what I wanted. Yeah. And you're like, well, couldn't we have maybe just like talked about this a little bit more and been involved with the process? Yeah. And that's what's going on. It's like you're literally shooting in the dark. Yeah.

And hoping you hit something, and the artist's like, well, I don't like that. I was like, well, what do you like? You know, so you don't even get the that exchange a lot because it's it's just, you know, send an email, send it to this email, send me 10 beats, and let's see what happens. See, in my opinion, hot take here, if you send a beat or if you sell a beat on a beat store and you have no other involvement in the creation of the song, you're not even a producer. You're a beat maker, you're a writer, you deserve publishing, sure, but like you're not helping produce the song. It's like someone wrote a hook, you know, and then you took the hook from and then made the entire song. You're not pushing the song forward. You created a piece that the actual producers are utilizing, right? There you go. Yeah. That's exactly what's going on. So that's why you haven't had as many hits as you've seen lately. Then on top of that, man, it's too many people rapping. I'm gonna be honest. He said it. Well, we said it before We said it on a piece of content.

He said it again, but he said that shit again. So I think we're valid now that Mr. Hagee backed us up. Yeah, I mean it's like to each his own, man. Like, like you know, if that's your dream, I'm not saying, you know, I'm not here to kill a dream, but there's over a hundred thousand new songs released on Apple every day. Crazy. Not a month, not a week every day. Yeah. It's insane. It's insanity. It makes no sense. 36.5 million a year. A year. Somebody check his math. 3.6 million. 36. Out of that three, whatever, there are millions of songs that release that get absolutely not one play. Yeah, that was a good one. That statistic blew my fucking mind. We could when we read that, it's like you're you didn't even listen to it. And I'm not going to. Your mom didn't even listen to it to your best friends. And and I'm not gonna lie. So we do live streams where we uh you know listen to our audience's music, right? And people will submit and we'll go on their Spotify because they'll send the link. And even those artists have like maybe four monthly listeners.

Five, and I'm just like, and the music's not necessarily even what I would consider bad. Like it definitely is deserving way more than four monthly listeners. They're not trying. They, they, they can't be trying. No, not at all. You can't be serious about it. It's like this. I think music has become the new hustle for people who, you know, they say, oh, well, this didn't work out that work, I'll fuck it. I'll start rapping. Yeah. I'll try to sing, I'll be a musician now. It's people that I think have an audience and have gained an audience, maybe doing something else. Like I show speed with streaming. Like, you might as well put out a rap song to give your fans something else to monetize off of, right? Or not even. Or it's people that don't have an audience of anything, and they just I don't know. I I think it's the it's the barrier of entry being so low. Yeah, that you were just saying this as far as people can make songs on their phones. Yeah, exactly. I mean, grab a Chipotle type beat off of YouTube, record, record on it. One take. Is this episode sponsored by Chipotle?

Throw some auto tune on it. I'm so fucking confused. I feel we should have like Chipotle right here. We might have to Photoshop it in or something. First of all, I would take that sponsorship. I'm a fan. The amount of Chipotle I get every week from my wife is insane. Listen, my wife would be fucking happy if I brought home Chipotle, right? I'm gonna get Chipotle on the way home from this interview. Chipotle hit us up. Seriously. No, man, I I think like, you know, what you know, what do you think you're able to do in the studio versus just that sending a pack, right? Like, you know, walk people through the benefits. Like what's happening for those that are just sending packs, right? Like, there's a bunch of people out there that are part of our community that are probably only able to like get an email address and they're fucking fingers crossed. I'm sending that pack through. Right. And like, shout out to them for doing what they're doing. There's nothing, there's nothing wrong with them, but if they get the opportunity to be in a studio session with an artist, like what are some of the things that are doing that you think are more valuable when it comes to hit making, for example. Man, perfect example.

Um, when I did the go back to the California record, yeah. Um, from that record, just being amongst the artists, I came up with On the Way, which was supposed uh with Luke Nasty, which is like double platinum now. Yep. Um, that same session I came up with the idea to do the record uh Living My Best Life. Um those are records I had, you know, planned to be like single number one, two, three. Um the beat for Twerkulator was created during that same time. You know what I'm saying? So you just it it it basically helps you tell the whole story. You know, you know. Like back in the day when you could tell when a producer was heavily involved, even if they didn't do the whole beat because the album had like a whole flow to it. Yes, you know, it was a whole vibe, and now it's just like, you know, I'm taking that beat from this guy because he's hot. I'm taking this beat from this guy because they're hot, and it got this feature from this guy because they're hot, and this girl because she's hot, and the whole project makes absolutely no sense. Oh my God, thank you so much for saying that.

It's like God. We we talk about this shit, and obviously, like we don't have the you know, double platinum, triple platinum, all the plaques and you know, hits that you have in your career and more on the way. So I thank you for saying that because it's true, man. Um, this stuff sounds like Frankenstein together. I don't know if that's even the best way to put it, but it's decent. Just, Yeah, like there's it's curated in the worst sense of the word curation, right? So curated can be that like everything sounds like a perfect flow or whatever. But this type of curation is just like to your point, pick who's hot in this and get this thing from over here and get this person to get this hook here and this verse here and this songwriter here. And like, sure, are you putting together like things that are dope individually and like you know, separately? Yes, but like they don't necessarily make for the best recipe of that album. That's okay. But let's but let's not forget, let's not forget. What are we not forgetting?

In defense of the artists and the producers that are doing that, that is the shit that's kind of fucking winning these days, man. Like it's a we're in a playlist culture. People aren't consuming albums front to back as much. The goal is to get as many songs on as many playlists as possible because you get more streams and you get more money to keep your career going and market and and advance. So, like, if it makes more sense in the music industry of 2023 to do a DJ Khaled, get the biggest artists, the biggest producers, and just make a playlist of hits and call it an album. Who are we to say, don't fucking do that? You know what I mean? I mean, as an artist, I like the album that makes sense and flows. I'm just trying to play the other side, you know. I think it depends on the goals, right? Um, so like what is your goal? Because you're also, I mean, you've made hits, so it's like, you know, we're not even talking to someone who's like only done like concept albums and like deep cuts that only true fans fuck with. Like why do you guys say it like that?

Because I'm saying, I'm saying for the people I'm saying for the people, no, for the people that look, for the people that look down on that shit, like and only appreciate hits. Like this dude's got the hits, you know. So for me, I'm curious to think or to know what are your goals with when you're producing, what are you even working towards? I mean, that's a great question, man. It's a little, you gotta do a little of both, you know what I'm saying? But um, at least if you're doing that, you know, and if you have that relationship with the artist, you know, you could kind of do that and make it still make sense to the consumer. You know, it's like, okay, even if you're gonna go that route and say, hey man, let's get, you know, this we got this real ratchet song. Let's go get a sexy Red on it. Let's go, you know, let's make it make sense. Who dropped a sex tape on accident last night, by the way? What? Can we tap into that for like? five seconds? I thought the Sexyy Red for that sex tape. Do you think it was she says she claims it was an accident? She posted it on her story. It's all over Twitter.

I saw it this morning. I watched it. I would I watched it too. I'm not gonna lie. I didn't even know about it, but I'm watching it. I watched it several times, actually, to make sure it was her. And it is You know, for authentication purposes. Sure, sure, yeah, absolutely. And the tattoos match, so it was her. It was pure user match, pure research purposes for sure. No, that's all creative purposes. Okay. Wow. And Ebro is taking heat right now for uh tweeting something along the lines of um, you know, shout out to her if it was an accident, but it is on brand. It is. Which I think he's kind of right. Like for sure. I'm sure why why is he taking heat? It's the truth. Yeah, exactly. she's been talking about STDs and all this other stuff. So it's fair game. Yes. Yeah, I mean, she did an interview with Theo Vaughn recently, and um, you know, she just basically said, like, I mean, some people think my you know music's vulgar, but like I'm just saying the stuff that no one else like will say. And like that's true, too.

Kind of hurt her, and I was like, damn. I mean they can both be true. You're definitely not saying anything that we're like, we've never thought that in our lives. You know, yeah, but like it's still kind of vulgar for sure. But I don't know. I'm a popular and uh unpopular opinion, and I'm probably gonna get killed in the comments for this. Okay, we love this. We need this, yeah. I think sexy red is exactly what the game needed. Ooh. Oh god, why? Because she represents for so long, you know. We got caught up in this social media filter uh thing, you know, the girls with the everybody looks the same, uh, everybody's getting the BBLs, you know, and she represents everybody got a home girl like sexy red. Everybody, no matter your race, there's a white version of sexy red, there's a a Hispanic version of sexy red, and we all have a home girl like that that everybody loves. Yeah. As crazy as that sounds. Like, I I know several sexy reds.

Yeah. And they're cool people, you know. And this for so long, you know, you had to look like, you know, had to get the big big butts and all that. So she's like, Yo, this is me. I talk crazy, I do crazy shit, like it or love it. Here it is. Respect that. Got you. I think you have no choice but to respect that, right? Yeah, it's it's interesting though, because it's like I think what you're saying speaks volumes about like the state of the music business, right? Meaning this. And I guess my point is is that you you didn't really much hint about her music. No. At all. You said you said it's what the game needs, speaking about the music game, and you didn't even really say shit about well, yeah, the way she puts words together, or like It's not about that. The beats that she still no. I mean, that cut that's a part of it because I'm just saying, like, yeah, her whole persona comes out in her music. I know, but but to your point, it's the persona. Exactly. And our community needs to like hear that probably a hundred more times before it sinks in. Yeah.

Of that, like that's more important than the music a lot of times. Yeah, it's it just is. Because people don't realize, like, it's all it's only so many topics you could talk about. Um you know, like the old saying goes, like, you hear old people saying there's nothing new under the sun. That's true. Yeah, yeah. That's true. So um, you know, the only thing that sets you apart, it's not the music, it's you. And she's like, she's a mix between like Madonna Flavor Flav and whoever else, Howard stern, like she says the most outrageous shit. And she means it. It's like you can tell it's not an act. Yeah, you can tell she's not doing it for clicks. I saw matter of fact, I saw her at the BET Hip Hop Awards, and uh, you know, y'all know Lola Brooke, right? Yeah, so she has this thing where her security card guard carries her because she's like this tall. I didn't realize she was that tall. She's she's tall. Shout out to Lola Brooke, she's tiny. She's you can't tell on social media. Yeah, she's tiny. So her security guard, it looks cute. And we're we're at the hip hop awards, and sexy red is like a grown-ass woman, and a security guard scared of her, and she's like, Don't drop me.

It's like when she's like going this door, that door, that door, and the dude just had her the whole time. I was like, wow. Yeah. Like she just lives her real truth. So it's it's a thing. That's funny, man. Yeah, so you know, you said something about there's there's nothing new under the sun, right? Um, how do you manage that reality as a producer, though, who's responsible for creating something new, right? Or like at least fresh. How do you how do you attack that problem with production? I mean, it's like, like you said, it's only so many, you know, restaurants, um, so many things you can eat. So it's it's it's almost like being in the kitchen, man. You know, um, you know, find a new way to prepare a steak. That's how I look at it. You know, it's like, okay, I see what you are. You're kind of on this kind of vibe. Let's see what we could do differently to kind of set you apart. And that's really, you know, kind of add your own flair to it. And that comes from being in the studio with the artists.

You know, just being around them, having conversations. Um, I think that's the biggest part. You know, people don't understand. It's not, you know, I think they think when you get in the studio, you just automatically go in and start pulling up beats. No, that's not how it works. You know, you should sit there, you know, talk to the artists, see what they got going on. They might have a bad day, the kids, um, anything could happen. You know, they might have got in a car accident or whatnot, but that's how uh walk around the club, fuck everybody came about. The guys came in the studio, uh, somebody had just lost their job, the other guy was like his girl getting on his nerves, and it's like, man, we just feel like going to the club tonight saying, Fuck everybody. I'm in my own zone. That's how Wobble was created. You know, um, a bunch of girls in the studio, we ended up partying, um, taking patron shots, and you know, my boy popped up. and said, Hey, you big girl, go on the bed, get up. You know, it was just a big old party. So that element is is key. And you're taking the same thing, but just custom fitting it for that moment.

Yeah. How important is spending time? Yeah, he did wobble? Yeah, it did well. Bro, my research is flawed right now. I'm I don't know if I can continue. Like you go to his genius page? I thought I did. That was doing the whole college part I know, but I'm just saying, I thought I did, I mean, I'm good with the research, hanky. That's usually my fucking thing, okay? I didn't even sound like that. But that song, I was like, that just took me back. Okay, sorry, Henry. I didn't mean to cut you off. How important how important is spending time with an artist you're producing outside of the studio? That non-music connection. Everything. Everything. Everything. Do not get it twisted. Because at that point, like you said, you your job as a producer, man, is to give the guy or the artist exactly what they need, not what they want. You know, it's a you know, they might think they want something. And like, like I said, perfect example was Colonel Loud with the California record. He wanted to do this whole big trap trap song. I was like, bro, let's go. Everybody's going there, let's go that way.

Yes. And it worked like a charm. Sure, did. Was he resistant to that at first? Uh, for about 10 minutes. About 10 minutes. Pretty short time period. And that's cool, but because we already have a relationship, you know what I'm saying? So he knew at that time, I had his best interest at heart. And he was like, fuck it, let's try it. You know, and that's that's what made it, you know, what made it even better. Even with uh Lil Duval, I saw him the other day at the um uh hip hop awards, you know, and um, it's just that simple. That's how we came up with living my best life. Yeah. Just in the studio, chilling, um, doing it. We actually linked up to do an intro for another record with Zero in Hollywood Baby in Dallas. And um, while we was in there, he did the skit, you know, he was doing the skit, smile bitch, smile bitch. And um, after he got done, I just I was on the floor laughing, first of all. Yeah, I was like, he really does this shit. Just pull out his mind. Smile Bitch. Smile Bitch. smile, bitch. And I was like, what the fuck?

Like, this is real, this real life. Okay, cool. I was like, You got a song for that? He was like, nah, I need one. Damn. Boom. Damn. See, even just being, even just spending time so you can recognize things like moments like this is a thing that is you, use that. The isms. The isms. We just talked on our live stream last night, and someone dropped this gem in the chat where it was like an artist isn't a big one. Shout out to Lil Geek, by the way. Shout out to Lil. It wasn't someone, it was Lil' Geek. Because our homie Lil Geek. Sorry, I don't know why I wouldn't shout him out. It's just like come on, man. Okay, sorry. I just I want to make sure I get this point across. Is that you know, being your authentic self and letting he called it the isms, like basically like what makes you you shine is so fucking important. And so, like, that was clearly a Lil Duval thing. And for you to help produce that and bring it to life is is special, man. And I feel like that's what's gonna be that's what those are the records that are gonna that shit's still timeless, bro. But you know what made it even better? I wasn't even trying to do like a record record.

Like, I thought we was gonna make it an Instagram funny little, you know, one-minute, 50-second thing. And I thought it was gonna last about two weeks. And I didn't approach it like pressing it to make it what it was. It literally happened naturally. So sometimes, like, not taking this shit so seriously that's the key like and even even with us I feel like when we're having fun doing our like content and stuff like even when we're not doing interviews we do other content and like live streams et cetera. like that can be some of the best shit man that's it because sometimes I'll get so fucking prepared and I gotta ask these questions and I gotta do this and then it's like let's go off on a rant on sexy red you know what I mean? yeah exactly that wasn't part of the plan yeah I would have never had sexy red was not in her getting carried by her security guard was not in the you know questions um but yeah no and it's funny because some of the stuff that does make you you and your isms are the stuff that people are the most insecure about Mm-hmm. people think that it makes them weird or they would never want to show that publicly and it's those same fucking things that you probably think makes you weird. They do make you weird but it's a strength it's not a weakness that's the key.

For sure unlocking that and being comfortable and self-aware man. Because those things those are the things that set you apart from everybody. That why are you you? Exactly anyone can get a trap beat and rap on it. That's it. If you do some weird smile bitch like that's now okay now it's you and well you know what's crazy ever since then that I've seen several comedians try to replicate that that type of record and is it it's not gonna happen. Yeah. It was the whole if you go back and look at the YouTube live the second time we got into the studio was at Patchwork and um this was Snoop sent his verse over and Bob Greasy was sent his verse over and uh we're sitting at patchwork, and Duval lit up a little joint. And he had like the strongest weed on the man. Sure. Sure. And so he's like, he passed it to me, I hit it. And um next thing you know, he goes on live and I'm just stuck there. Like he's dancing and shit. And I'm like, oh shit, we really on live and I'm going to hide. It's like I was like, what do I do?

And so I just back there eating the little trail mix and stuff that they had. And I hate fucking trail mix, but it was a thing. It was a studio snack. Yeah, it was the best thing at the at the moment, but it was at Patchwork. Yeah, it was such an authentic moment, man. And it was funny. And literally from that moment, from that live, I had about nine, 10 program directors hit me up for that song. Wow. Whoa. We hadn't even finished it yet. They said we need that song now. Wow. Damn. See, for me, that song in particular makes me so like carefree and happy. And I mean, this song is called Living My Best Life. Like you're just like, what's going wrong with my day? Not shit. You know what I mean? Like it just like it puts you in that mood. So I I have a question for you, because I feel like as a producer, oftentimes you're wanting to evoke like all the emotions like across different songs, right? You might want to make a song that makes people feel, you know, introspective and you know nostalgic. You might want to make a pipe up, you know, party record.

You might want to, you know, make a, you know, lyrical miracle shit, whatever. If you could only choose like one emotion for people to have listening to a Mr. Hankey beat and a Mr. Hankey produced record, like what you know, what would you choose? I mean, it would definitely be the it would be like that, that that whole little Duval feel mixed with like a little sexy red, walk around the club, fuck everybody. Just a whole carefree type thing. Cause I think, like you said, I think the other problem is a lot of times we take ourselves so serious, especially as artists, you know. Uh, we're like, yo, I gotta, I gotta have these bars, it gotta be right. And sometimes, you know, nobody cares. Most of the time. Most of the time. Well, you heard what I said? No, I mean, I didn't know. I saw the girl dancing to your song, so I like it. Yeah, you know, that's all that matters. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. That's a good one. Do you think the average listener is hearing the uh you know, music component, aka like what you know, you as a producer maybe are contributing most uh, you know, of the record, or do you think they're more focused on the the words or the lyrics? So I got a theory.

So I try to make music that people can recognize when they're drunk or high in the club. Okay. Okay. If you're saying a lot of stuff at that point, people tune out, they're like, okay, I gotta go, I gotta go home. You know, but I want to make you if you do it to where, you know, they can recite it and sing along with it as you know the tequila shots are coming, you win it. Yeah. And every hit record has that element. Every popular artist has that element. So what you're saying is to make a hit record, take shots of tequila and smoke gas. Yeah. Oh, one more time exclusive. Wow. I don't think that's quite what he said. You heard it here first. I don't think that's it. I mean, but that's his truth. That's his moment. So that's what I do in the studio. Like, for the clip. It is his moment. That's gotta be the clip for the uh for the the podcast. Yeah. It's the promo. He just wants any excuse to drink Patron

and smoke gas. Shout out Patron. So now Mr. Hankey's saying I'll make hits. Shout out, Patron. Shout out, Crystal. Get this man the sponsorship. Seriously, man. Come on, Come on. I'll do you right. I'll do you right. Oh my gosh, man. So okay, you've been, you know, you've been in the game for a while. Specifically, like I would say at least a decade. Right. A little bit more, probably for sure. But like 2013, you referenced as maybe like when shit was starting to get, you know, a little more serious, Kali park, you know, era, whatever. Uh, if you were starting a producer career in 2023, what what's the plan for you? Ooh, man. Um, I would hate to start right now, man. Oh, God. Don't listen to Mr. Hankey, folks. And I don't mean that in a bad way because it's like, like I said, back then it was it was a little bit more structure in the industry. It wasn't such a free-for-all, you know. Like you said, back then you had to have you had to have your MPC, which costs $3,000, some dollars.

You had to have your two or three keyboards. You had to go to a real studio. So it wasn't as much. I'm going to say competition, it just wasn't as much traffic as it is now. You know, noise. Yeah, it's I didn't want to say that, but yes. Okay, well, and that's a pun intended, meaning like what you're making also just sounds like noise. Oh God. You're you're looking at me like I'm we're losing viewers by this second. I'm sorry, folks. I'm sorry. He means that theoretically. Yeah, yeah. Noise, you know. Not literally. It was a metaphor. Yes. Good save, Hankey. Okay, thank you, Hankey. Jesus Christ. Like I said, because this is, is, is, is crowded. It's so crowded, and everybody's doing the same thing. Yeah. Um, and it's like you go on YouTube. I saw I even got Mr. Hankey type beats on YouTube. Oh shit. So I done made it. You know you've made it. I've made it. I've got Mr. Hankey type beats on BeatStars. I've seen that several times. Yeah. Have you found any good ones? Oh, actually, yeah.

Damn. So they're doing your name justice? Some of them? No. So it's cool. Okay. I mean, but it's it's it's cool because I didn't realize my sound is not just one type of thing. So I got, you know, you got the twerk side of it, then you got the cool side of it, you got the dance side of it, and you got the real hip hop records like I got with, you know, Wayne and those type people. So it's, you know, it's all different types of things, but it's just it's it's so crazy right now because there's no clear-cut way to, if you're a new producer to do it besides getting your own artists and blowing that person up. Yeah, that that seems to be the formula now. That is the formula, yeah. Yeah. And I I sincerely, any new artist, you know, don't, you know, if you want to, you know, go out stand outside of studios with a CD or whatever, you do a flash drive, be my guest. Um, but that might not work. You know, get your own guy, your own girl, especially these days, go find your dope female artist that you believe in and do what Zaytoven did with Gucci and just bang out hits.

Yeah, bang out hits, and that's and then people will come to you. Yeah, I think I think on both angles, um, both artists and producers, I feel like, and even just everyone in the music business, regardless, is too busy like chasing up. You know, we talk about this a lot, like the whole networking laterally thing. Um, I feel like you need to just look left and right and try and find talent at a similar like trajectory or like level of of your own, right? Um I agree a thousand percent. Yeah, and even more than talent. Someone that's working hard on this shit. Yeah, We're talking about rapper being last on your resume before we start recording, but like someone who's rapping is the top of their resume. That's who you need to be working with, you know? The talent has to be there. But I know some talented ass rappers that just like I don't want to make music with them because they have one post on their Instagram. They're just there. you know, they're they're not like trying as hard as I know they could be. And especially now with the whole female, you know, it's a lot of female artists.

Um, and there are several, like, you don't even know they do music because you look at their page and it's nothing but a bunch of memes and and them, you know, doing selfies with the ass out. But like, where's the music? Yeah. You know, it's like I had a show, you know. She said I had a show. I was like, well, where's the recap of the show? Like, you didn't do it behind the scenes getting ready. Like you're an artist. what are we doing? Yeah, the ass out gets likes. Yeah. I mean, I'm gonna like it now. If you, you know, do not stop putting the ass. Mix in the ass out. Yeah, but in the mix of like put your music in the background. Yeah, something or something, like, come on, twerk to your own song. That's all I'm saying. Oh God, okay. So I've never actually thought about this too much, but the ladies are killing it right now. Oh, okay. And clearly part of it's the ass. I mean, just let's just call it what it is. Whoa. I'm just saying, maybe part of it. It means the beauty.

Yeah, I'm just saying, like, you know, just calling it what it is. But I am curious because ass has always been a thing, so it's gotta be more than that. Like, what specifically do you think is contributing to like, you know, why are the ladies like taking over, like now, you know, what what took it to be now? Like, what's happening? I think what happened, man. Um, I think the guys became so predictable. Yes, you know, boring. Yeah, it's just got you, you got so many little little somebodies and young this and um, you know, it's it's a lot of them, you know. And even the ugliest woman in the world can, you know, a guy will pay attention to her, you know, whether you think she's attractive or not. She a guy will find something beautiful about her that'll draw us into her, like, oh, she she got great lyrics, she got great teeth, she has an amazing sex tape. Um you're a teeth, you're a teeth guy.

He's a sex tape guy. I'm trying not to be that person that point out other body parts I'm just started the teeth. Yeah, he's leaving that for me, pointing out the ass. Thanks a lot, Hank. What a dick. Yeah. Ben. Fuck, man. God. So I think I think also. I think also, too, like, I think the women have realized their power. Like, they get it, you know. Um, they're a lot more organized, they're a lot more focused. Like, once they, once they figure it out, they're able to be like, okay, I need to do this, I need to do that. Whereas guys, we're just like, uh, okay. They don't like it. I don't care. Whatever. I'm good. Yeah. You know, we have more like a hope it turns out thing. They're like, no, I need to get this straight. I need to get that straight. And they, and then they'll assemble a team. That's the other thing. If you if you notice, all of them have teams. Most of us, you know, we might have our homeboy with us, or you know, maybe one or two guys, but they have a whole team of other women around them. You can't beat that.

Yeah. No, facts. So you um are a DJ as well. Yeah. And have DJ'd throughout your career. How important do you think is it for producers to like learn at least the basics or like have some DJ experience? It's man, it's everything, man. Because like I said, um, I was like I said, I was my main thing was trying to be a DJ, um, keeping that going, you know, try to be, you know, do spring blings and all that crazy stuff, which I'll probably be doing like a bunch of festivals coming up this year too. Okay. But it's a natural progression. You know, like it's like if I know what to play to get the crowd going, I know what to play to, I mean, I know what to produce to get them going as well. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. This is working live. It sounds so it sounds so obvious. It's the most obvious thing ever. It's not true. Not like, but like no one is really talking about this. It's like people tell me all the time, they're like, man, I see you in the club all the time.

I was like, yeah, that's I would be in the club all the time. Yeah. And it's like, but why? I was like, so I can see what the people like and don't like. Yeah, but it's also one thing to just be like in the club, and I and I'm not like knocking people that do go to the club honestly for research purposes as well as having a good time, because you're right. You can tell a lot of about like what's going on. Right. But also like the DJ is the whole other, it's the next level of the like being in the club. Exactly. So I'm looking at it from a DJ perspective. So when the DJ is playing a song, say I go to Magic and everybody goes crazy. They play this a new song, everybody goes crazy. And money's flying, the girls get rejuvenated, everybody's ordering more wine. So I'm like, who is this? Mm-hmm. Okay, so then I'm starting to analyze. I was like, okay, well, maybe they just like the beat. Okay. Maybe they like this part of it.

Okay. Then I'm looking at that. Okay, they like the beat. They like also what they're saying. That's it. How many artists have you discovered from being in the club? Over like 90%. What? Wow. Because you gotta understand, man, the internet's the internet. Don't get me wrong. That's cool. Social media is cool. But shout out to the DJs, uh, coalition DJs, um, all of them, all the DJ crews. Um the internet introduces new artists, but the DJs in the clubs sustain them. You see what I'm saying? That's powerful. Yeah. It's like, because you see a lot of songs, you know, they go crazy on Instagram or or TikTok, and people don't even know that they're real songs. They think they're just Instagram clips. Yeah, this is a TikTok audio. Right. So past that first that the part of the challenge or whatever, you know, they do the dumbass kung fu shit. That was pretty good. Yeah.

Is that a dance? I like that one. You know how they do on TikTok? They was like, do the dance. I'm like, that's not a dance, that's fucking Tae Bo or whatever you do. Um, yeah, I mean, I'm not a dancer myself, but I have seen some of those moves being like, that doesn't seem like That's not a dance. I'm not gonna see nobody in the club doing that. Yeah. I've seen nobody do that. Um but uh yeah, I mean, it's just I've discovered a lot of dope movements. Um I've seen a lot of dope dynasties being born just in the club. Would future be future without Esco? Absolutely not. And without Rocco, yes, without Pretty Boy Tank, DJ Spins. They used to DJ. My first time hearing one of the future Records was at the old club uh chocolate up here on Glenwood. Yeah. And uh this was uh watch this. It uh Pretty Boy Tank was playing it. And this is around the era that Charlie Boy Gang had the beef it up dance going crazy. And um, I just remember the song came on, and the whole club just is like, what's this?

I was like, who the fuck is that? It's like, yeah, that's that's future. That racks came out, Racks on Racks. Yep. and um, I got the old Hunnitz, like literally straight from the clubs. Nobody the rest of the world didn't know who he was, but Atlanta. knew. Yeah, oh, we sure did. So sure as hell did. So I think you tweeted something about this, and I actually have had this thought too. Like, you mentioned when you're at like a concert or a sporting event or at the club or whatever, and you'll hear the DJ playing, you'll always be thinking of like, yo, what would I play like next, you know, if I was DJing to make the club go crazy? And it kind of had me thinking about like I can't even listen to music without a fucking like music marketing and like music business fucking mind, and I hate it. I can't just be like a normal consumer anymore. Try being a producer engineer, bro. Do you have do you have any of that when you're like just wanting to go to the club? Yes. Where you're just like, yeah, like I gotta take, I gotta take like my homegirls with me, or like so a bunch of women with me to get my mind off of the actual technical part of it. Yes, yeah.

Because if it's just me, I'm gonna be like, man, that mix sounds horrible. It's just trash. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh, She needs to have that remix the master of my God. There's literally an ass in front of his face And he's just like that. mix. I don't want any more dances. That mix is so bad. My dance right now. I don't want, I don't want it. Shit is peaking. The low end can't even be heard. I can't even hear the ad libs. Who mixed this shit? Oh god. I'm even like that in church though. So it's even. Oh God. Yeah, it's bad. Like you saw the meme where the guys like uh being a musician and going to a concert, it's like the guy in the stands at the football game with a football uniform on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like there are times I, you know, I want to go to the DJ booth like yo, turn that off. Like it's it's terrible. It's tearing up the speakers, it's it's bad. Yeah. Oh man, I I like I grew up playing basketball my whole life, and like especially when I was like super competitive with it and like you know, practicing all the time. If I would go to a game of like a friend or whatever, it would like pain me to be in the bleachers, you know what I mean?

So I almost just imagine that that would be like a music maker being in a venue where music is being played, where it's just like how can you even, you know, how can you not help but like just your brain not being able to shut off and be like, that's not what I would do, or whatever. Yeah, it's hard to enjoy it, man. It's it's it's a thing, so that's why, you know, shout out to Tequila people. Um, and uh, you know, they keep it, they keep you nice and level. and all that. You're good. So so I don't know if you read this in the notes because you don't read my notes, but that's fine. I literally read them every time. Okay, well, that's allegedly. Try me. Allegedly, okay. All right. Which Atlanta sports team did he produce the Hawks. Okay. Damn. Henry did read the fucking notes. All right, so you got you got picked to produce records specifically for the Hawks. Right. So those were brand new beats. Beats, okay.

Okay. Played during the game. Played during the Atlanta Hawks games. So when I when our bought when our team has the ball when the Hawks have the ball, they're bringing the ball up to court. The music that they're playing is my fire. Bro, that's so cool. Is that ever like a dream you thought of when you started producing of like, oh yeah, I could probably it never it never dawned on me. And that count, that whole relationship came up through the club. You know, just what do you mean? So I was at the spot, uh, my buddy Eric Gordon, who is like a huge like film investor now with the cons um, you know, um organization. So he's like, man, I want to introduce you to somebody, my friend Melissa Proctor. And so we're cool, we you know, we're chilling, you know, talking stuff, and she's like, Oh, what do you do? So I'll tell her. She's like, Oh, that's cool. So from that point, everything, you know, we just having conversations and kicking it and everything. And uh one day she was like, Man, I'm just going through it today. She's like, I was like, what do you mean?

She's like, Man, we're getting all this um flack from like these record labels because they were playing like artists' music. And if you use it on social media, it gets flagged. Yeah. So all the teams was receiving like um, I mean, y'all go through. No, we just had a post where your reel is not monetizing. Or it mutes the sound. Yeah, altogether. Yeah. Yeah. So they were going through that. She was like, man, if I had um, she's like, man, if what would it look like if we had you know somebody go in and produce like X amount of songs for us throughout the season? And um, we pay him of course, and what would that look like? I was like, it looks like my next job. What do you mean? What are we doing? It looks like a Mr. Hankey beat. Right, right. So, you know, I I submitted all these beats and stuff. Of course, I had my tag off the room. Of course. And I was like, she's like, you gotta take the tag. So I was like, I was like, nah, because of course, I mean, you gotta keep in mind that you're talking about a hundred some possessions up and down the floor.

Yeah. Mr. Hankey beat. Mr. Hankey, Mr. Hankey. Like, I get it. You know, so I got it like on like maybe about 10 of the main ones. Mm-hmm. But that was it. You know, so I'm at every game, um, courtside, you know. Damn. You know, having a ball. Just my best life. I yeah, absolutely. I just feel like, you know, for producers out there, like I didn't like, and I think about this shit all the time. And so I know y'all aren't thinking about this. Like, there's other ways to not only monetize, but also like promote and or get fucking free or just, I don't know what your situation is. I don't want a pocket watch, but like tickets to games, courtside, whatever the fuck. Like, just get creative with this shit. Cause that's like such a I read that, and I was like, damn, that is fire. Like, yeah, and it is it was cool, man. They took me to Abu Dhabi and everything. Damn. For the um game last year on my birthday. So it was cool, man. Like, I'm just like, yo, this is crazy. You know, I never thought in a million years, me growing up here in Atlanta and going to the game, and my stuff is playing over in State Farm Arena. Yeah.

Yeah. That's fire. Trey Young is listening to your beat while he's deciding which play to run. Exactly. Like do you do you feel some sort of like pressure responsibility for how the game turns out? You know, like the outcomes, like how good we're You're the morale booster. So I used to play ball as well, so I'm superstitious. So there's certain beats that they play to where the team scores every time. Nah. I've watched that. No. I've watched it. No, No, Hanky. Yes, might be onto something. Don't fucking lie to me, Hank. I literally sit at the game, like, okay, we're gonna score. And the beat comes on and it's three point, Trey shoots from the half court, goes in. Or, you know, when John Collins will hear, alley-oop, whatever whatever, it was crazy. Um, then there was other ones. I totally forgot I did, and then something wild happens. I'm definitely not taking a bet with Mr. Hanky when he invites me courtside for the next game. He's like, yo, you know, a thousand bucks we score on this play. Like, I'm not taking that bet, Hanky. I'm not falling for that shit, Hanky. Yeah, we're gonna take you to the Delta Club where the drinks are flowing all day. Yeah, to keep it's this episode is sponsored by Chipotle and Tequila.

Tequila, shout out to tequila. All reposados. Oh my god. Always repo. So, you know, we ran into each other recently. You were uh judging a beat battle at uh slang fest. Yeah, Yeah. Shout out to those guys. Appreciate y'all having us as as media. That was one of our first few events that we've done where we were doing interviews on site, et cetera. And by the way, my favorite beat of the day was one where it was the round where they were trying to recreate a beat in the style of one of the panelists, and the Canadian kid Whitlock made a beat in your style. Yo, he killed it. That California Cali kind of sounding shit. Killed it. That shit was fire. Shout out to Whitlock. Yeah, Whitlock was dope. Yeah, uh, the other guy, he was dope too, but Whitlock killed it. Yeah, for sure. That that beat specifically, I was like, damn. So, so did you do beat battles coming up? Never. Never. No. Well, I don't have I I'm I'm fortunate, man. Like, I'm extremely blessed. I don't have any of the producer's struggle stories. Um I love how honest you are about that. Just found Kyler Park immediately.

Yeah, I mean, it was like uh my boy John Boy, uh, we both went to Southern University, and um we both grew up in East Atlanta. One day he was like, man, the Yin Yang twins, you know, will be at the studio. She had a studio up on Gresham Road, and that was the end. I was literally making my beats came from, you know, just sitting around the college dorm room, um, you know, with the homies, you know, we would freestyle and you know, do college activities, you know what I'm saying? And one day, you know, they just like I like them. I like the beats, and the rest was history. Damn. Oh. I love that, you know, you just have to own that that that's your story. It's just that's it. It's just it's what it is. You know it was like it might not work for you. I think it speaks to the power of networking and just you know, being in the right place at the right time, man. Yeah. I wasn't looking for it. Yeah. No, I mean, we we talk about that with every single person on here. I feel like where it's like, look, half this shit is just you gotta put yourself just in life in as many situations as possible.

That's it. To get lucky. Yeah, and and then you do have to be like proficient at what you do. You have to be a trusted resource that when you are given that opportunity, like when they were like, all right, yeah, like you're you're good. We'd love for you to work with us, whatever. You clearly had to then deliver time and time and time and time and time again, right? All right, and then the part of it too, like you gotta be a team player, man. You gotta be realistic. Um, uh, because like I said, at the time College Park, like he was, like, on he had every song. He had the David Banner song, the whisper song, and everything. So he's like, yo, you know, we could do some of this stuff together. I got all these, you know, people coming at me, you do some, we split it, how we need to split it. I was like, damn, okay, cool. You know, and uh I think a lot of times a younger, a lot of younger producers or people trying to make a name for themselves, they might get into something in a room with somebody who's established and feel entitled to the same things that that person is getting. You know, there's a lot of times to where, like, I know I didn't get the credit for it, but I know it was submitted, you know.

You know, and sometimes that's out of the bigger producer's hand because the label, they just want that name on it. You feel me? So I didn't go on a whole Twitter rant and I'm gonna blow this shit up. I ain't get my name on it. That was my beat. You know, I just was I played it cool a lot of times, and um, you know, those things come back around. And I I try to tell that to younger producers all the time. It's like, yo, if you if you really, you know, you're working at this thing and things don't work out on that one, don't go crazy. Cause there's a million rappers out here. So just be cool. Your time is coming. Yeah, it's so hard though, right? Because part of you would have to say, like, you know, don't get walked on in this shit, you know, stand up for like you and your you know, contributions or whatever. So there is that line of like you can't do that forever. Right, right. You know, so it is almost like when do you be like put your foot down and like no? This is my fucking beat.

You know, no, but like I said, you gotta, you know, like I said, I was I was blessed to be around good people who, you know, if something was slighted, they made sure that the next thing was, you know, even better. You see what I'm saying? So it's just about, you know, if you lined up with the right people and you, you know, you keep yourself out of trouble or you know, without crashing out, because there's so many people crash out. I just be like, oh my God. Yeah. You know, especially like, you know, like take video shoots for instance, right? Um, you know, a lot of producers, you know, they I hear them complaining, they be like, Man, I ain't in the video. I was like, that's okay. It's okay. Yeah. Wait, that's like a common call. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They like I've seen people like literally throw away relationships because they didn't make the video? Yeah. So what? I'm in good, I'm in the good love video with Usher, so I'm cool. Like, yeah, I guess. Yeah, you made it. We know, Hanky. Well, I'm just saying, now we made it because you're on our couch. So what's up? No, I'm saying, I'm saying it's like even then when I came to the shoot, you know, they was like, nah, stand here.

Nah, stand right here. Cool, stand right here. And so the video came out. I really didn't have any expectations, you know, because I know a lot of times it's out of the director's hand, it's definitely out of the artist's hand. Sometimes it's a label call. So, you know, I just seen artists get online and like, yo, fuck this artist. Fuck the and that's it. Damn. I didn't like, I feel like a lot of the producers I talk to like almost don't want to be in the video because they're just you know, you're a producer sometimes for a reason. You like being behind the scenes a lot of times, right? Like, some like to be more of the you know, artist producer type where they're you know trying to build a brand for themselves that way. But I know a bunch of producers that you know have really great placements and shit, and I feel like they would be like anti being in the videos. So it actually surprises me to hear that like a bunch of people have blown that up, you know what I mean? Yes, you would be surprised, man. You'll be surprised. Damn, damn. That's crazy, bro. Well, hanky, we have entered a final segment of the podcast. Oh shit, yeah.

Is this one sponsored by Chipotle too? No, but it but we just sent out some shit to sponsors, being like, y'all could sponsor the rapid fire rampage if you wanted to. So let's do it. So I just gave a little bit of a hint, but well, where are we at? If you don't drop your phone. I did. Well, don't. You need that. This is the rapid fire rampage. Mr. Hanky, this is gonna be a three part rampage. Let's do it. Start with some short answer questions. Here we go. Knock knock. Who's there? The rapid fire rampage. Here we go, starting for real now. Mr. Hanky. What is one thing that you just really wish up and coming producers would do differently? Take more chances. Meaning, um, meaning, you know, try to try your best to create your own sound. I know it's very hard now because it's a million people doing it, and the chance of anything being original now is basically shot to hell So but you know, try different sounds.

Like everybody's using the same sound. So it's same drum packs, same drum packs. Go try some different 808s, you know, a little distortion, a little something, you know. That that sounds like such a paradox of like trying to create something unique and and novel in a world where there's a hundred thousand songs uploaded every day. It's amazing. You can make your own drums. It's like it's like trying to hit the lottery. Yeah, for sure. Hanky, you're DJing a show for me and Ben. Oh wow, I don't want to attend this. You already are, hypothetically. Okay. What's the first song you play to get us hype? Based on just having met us for the last hour. And what wait, we're the rappers, or we're the No, we're in the we're the audience. We're the only two people in the group. Who's DJing for us? Where's this? Where's this? Y'all the only two people in the group? It's a private event right here. You have CDJs in front of you right now. It's apparently just me and Henry on these chairs. We're just watching.

How many shots are we taking let's do three each. From our presenting sponsor, Patron, allegedly. Yeah. Um, I would definitely start with um, I would start with uh the great Prophet future. Um what song? Um, anything from that Metro uh tape that him and Pen Metro did on us. Probably like where you at? I'll start with that. Where your ass was at? Where your ass was at, and you know, kind of dive into that. That would probably get me up. I'm lit. I'm standing up at least. Sure. Sure It's the weirdest concert I've ever thought about. I thought it was it painted a funny picture. It's hilarious. It's funny, all right. Yeah, I'm not sure I'm going, but Hanky, you have $5,000 to start your production career. How do you spend it? Honestly. Honestly, don't lie. I'm going to magic.

What? And blowing it off? No, this is what I'm doing. Okay, okay. I'm blowing it off I thought this was going, to be a non-answer Here we go I'm going to magic. Okay. And I'm going to get my promo team, which would be the girls. Okay. Yeah. What people don't realize is this why people go to the strip club so much, because the dancers are your biggest promo person of all time because they know all the artists. You know what I'm saying? So I've gotten a lot of placements from just being cool with dancers. They're like, yo, so-and-so in town. This dude, you know, he came to the club night last night, everybody went crazy. I told him about you. Wow. This is that's a gem. That's the biggest gem that we've had on and we've had some that's like bartenders. Wow. Security guards. Yes. You see what I'm saying? Yes. Wow They literally have first contact with these people. Yeah. But if you're cool with them, you know, I go there, you know, I took the bartender well, find me the baddest one in there, dance with her, let her dance with me for about a little while.

I spent about 500. Nothing crazy. And at that point, you know, she's letting me know who's coming in. Damn. That's sick. shit? I thought it was gonna be like a joke answer. Like, I'm not even starting my production career. Yeah, he's like, just quit before you start. Just blow that $5,000 on some dances. And now you got now, now you got a spokesperson for you. Right. Several spokespeople. That's heat. Wow. I want to think he just loves the strip club, but I think he's actually right. He's onto something. I think he's on I think he's right. This is totally it's it's a whole, it's a whole process, man. Yeah. I love that, man. Moving on. Mr. Hanky, what are three things that a hungry artist with no beats, no direction, no production could do to get the attention of Mr. Hanky. Um honestly, man, they could just reach out to me. Um, because I've seen artists who, you know, didn't have anything and they blew up, you know. And sometimes, you know, they might not have my fee that they could cover.

But if sometimes if they got the talent, I'd be like, look, just, you know, do what you can do, and let's build from there. So do you open every DM? You listen to every song? I listen to every song, every DM. You guys heard it I listen to SoundCloud, uh, Facebook, all of that. You know what I'm saying? Because you never know. Yeah. You never know. You might find a next Cardi B, you might find the next whoever, right there. Very true. Because they don't have no money at the time. That's crazy. He's like, yo, just get this amount of money up first so we can at least cover studio cost and you know, mix and mastering, you know, making things presentable. Wow. Damn. I feel like there's probably not a lot of producers that would answer that question that way. But I feel like you've talked a lot about how you are obsessed with finding like the next star. Yeah. Like that, it's what you're seeing. That's the mission. I mean, you'll be surprised. I'm pretty sure you hear the same thing from Zay Metro, any of these guys, uh, ATL Jake, because we've all been where we've all been that person that didn't have anything, and somebody took a shot on us. Has to be more fulfilling, too.

Yeah. Damn, we did this together, we found each other, like we built it. Yeah, I mean, look at look at um look at from Diddy to Dr. Dre to Timbaland to Jermaine Dupree. They weren't chasing placements, they were building artists. Yes. First time we heard of the brat was from Jermaine. Uh the first time we heard of Snoop was through Dre. First time I heard of Biggie was through Diddy. The list goes on. Yeah. Very true. Hanky, this is called Ideal Audio. We're gonna craft the perfect song. I need two producers and three artists. All right. To create the absolute perfect song, alive or dead. Have at it. All right. Three artists. The perfect song. You could put one of them on the hook, maybe. I would have sexy red on the hook. I'll get me, and probably ATL Jacob to do the beat. Um, the other artists I would definitely have would probably be ooh, the perfect song.

Ideal audio. I would go get Taylor Swift. Oh, Oh shit And I would get Gucci Man. Woo! What? Fire. This song sounds amazing. Fire. Damn. I gotta just want to soak that in this. Yeah. Just let that sit there. It's a lot of shock value. Yeah. Like, you have to. If you see that, if you see that the promo of that, you like you're telling your friend, like, yo, This This comes out. We gotta break the internet. That would break the internet for sure. I mean, Taylor Swift already does that on her own very If you put Taylor with Kanye, though, on the same song, that breaks the internet for real. Come on, bro. That sounds like a charge. Definitely sounds like sounds like a case for sure. Someone did something wrong or will. Last one of the short answer, Mr. Hank, you can only use three plugins for the rest of your life. What are they?

Omnisphere. Massive plug-in. Good choice. Um Damn probably like battery. You use you do drums and battery? No, I do my drums and pro tools. That's a whole Another conversation. Oh, hell yeah. Because he cooks up in Pro Tools, by the way. Yeah. Oh, wow. Just crazy. We're gonna leave that for another day. Yeah. Um, and um, Dang what's the other one? I probably use something old school like Nexus. There's some good expansions. I guess the expansions come with it. Maybe we'll give you that. Part one. Part one. Good part. Yep. We got two more though. This next one is the this or that. I'm gonna give you two choices. Okay. Just gotta pick one up. Starting with keys or strings? Keys. Snares or claps? Claps. 808 or synth bass. Both.

Start with drums or start with melodies. Ooh. I'll do melodies. I have all the same answers as him so far, by the way. This is great. Um, you use Pro Tools, but Logic or FL Studio? Uh FL Studio. Well, that was a nice run, Henry. I'm having the same answers as well. That's why I announced it right there, just in case. Um industry or industries? I hate that question. I prefer industries. Boom. Oh my god. Smart girl or dumb booty? Both. You can't choose both, Mr. Hankey. I got a song called Smart Girl, Dumb Booty. Oh, that's why I did it. Oh. It's a whole song. Oh, I forgot. B.O.B. Okay. It's amazing. We da dumb booty. Come on, man.

Is that how it goes? Yeah, Smart girl. B.O.B. Stewie Rock. Stewie, yep. It's amazing. It takes change. Shit's heat, bro. It's my jam in the day. Um hot or lemon pepper? What? Alright, pick one, no both. Oh man, come on, man. No both. I gotta do the hot, man. Lose your passport or lose your driver's license. Driver's license. Yeah. I think I would do the same. I'm trying to travel. Yeah. Rich and famous or rich and unknown? Rich and unknown. And finally, go full-time rapping or leave the music industry. You talking about me? I'm asking, I'm not asking Ben. Damn it. You know, I actually thought about putting a verse out, so y'all go rap. Oh shit. Damn. Mr. Hankey's self-produced debut EP coming soon. Yeah, it's coming soon. It's coming soon. Really? Yeah. Actually? Yeah. Did we just get an exclusive? The real life.

We got an exclusive just now? Yeah. Wow. Oh shit. It literally just got finalized like shit, maybe about two days ago. What? Is he fucking with us? He's fucking, like, serious. Bro, he's smiling so serious. It's like a crooked smile, though. It's like, I wasn't supposed to say it, but you know, you remember when Dr. Dre did the chronic? Sure. That's what I'm about to do. Okay, but remember when he was supposed to do detox? Is it one of these? No, it's not gonna be detoxed. Are you sure? You have other artists on it, Essentially and it's self-produced, but you have verses on it. Yeah, I might do like an 8, 12 bar. What? Yeah. Damn. Do we have a title? I'm trying to get everything we can out of this. Yeah, keep see how much juice is in this. I don't have a title yet. I got an idea, though. Let's hear it. Like I say, it's it's like um it's a combination between like Friday, the movie, like an Atlanta version of that, and like the chronic. So phronic? Do you guys? I was like, you got any guesses off that? Friday?

Friday, you know. Fried day. You know, you know, we'll reach out to my people. Thanks, man. You like that? You know what I mean? So probably drop something on like 420 out the blue. Oh. Damn. You heard it here first, people. Don't ever say we don't drive exclusives. Yeah. We were also the first podcast to report that Taylor Swift and I spice. We literally were gonna have a song together. It's the first time we've gotten covered by like legit music news. Yeah, we had labels hitting us to take clips down. Yeah. I was yeah. Sean Barron fucked that up, but like shout out to Sean because that was fire. We didn't even realize we were getting an exclusive, though. No idea. Thought he was just like, we're like, there's no way Sean's gonna just. But I'm also I'm also getting ready to drop a Christmas song, too. Ooh, Mr. Hanky the Christmas poo. Exactly. For real, for real. It only makes sense. It does. Fuck it. Is that what it's gonna be called? Um The Christmas Poo. Just there's just the Christmas Poo. No. Oh, no, no. Like I said, I got I'm I'm gonna reach out to Waka, see if you wanna get on it.

Yes. Waka. On a Christmas song. I love that idea. He would do it too. He'd go crazy. He's down to earth, man. He's open to good ideas energy. Um this final part is the word association. Okay. We're gonna really get into the mind of Mr. Hanky here. I'm gonna say one word, and you just give me the first word that you think of off the top of your head. As little thought as possible. All right, let's do it. Here we go. Starting with hip hop, lit, RB. Lit. Hi hat. Essential. DJ. Everything. Microphone. Ooh. Um. I thought that was it. Ooh. Yeah. It's um microphones, yeah. Important. TikTok. It's okay. Platinum.

The goal. Ukraine. War. Unicycle. Emergency room. Yeah. Guaranteed broken bone for me. Snack. Wings. Blunt. Gas. Podcast. This one. Scam. Likely. Lil. Duval. Package. Store. Yeah. I told you he would get a package store. Finally, Henry got one. Told you he would get package store. He always tries to give the guests like an alley oop on the last one. And like there could be the most obvious hints, and the guests like fail every single fucking time. I had faith. And I was like, there's no way he's gonna get it, but you delivered, bro. This has been Mr. Hankey. Yes. What a fucking amazing interview.

Great, man. I loved it, man. I'm so glad we got you on, bro. Yes. As always, please like, comment, and subscribe. Uh you can give us a rating on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. If it's not a five stars, though, just don't do it. Don't worry about it. Yeah, just keep going. On to the next one. But yeah, until next week, Henry, what are we doing? We're getting out of here. Getting the fuck out of here. Peace, y'all.