TP Interview: Young Nudy Surprising Addiction | Untold Jetsonmade x Jack Harlow Story

One of my favorite things that Drake ever said is that business is always personal. In this business, if you do something to me that could like hurt me, I'm personally affected. So I should take it personally. It's not like I'm an employee of Walmart and Walmart takes a hit, but I get the same check, regardless. It's like, no, if you do something to hurt my business, I make less money. So it's like, it's personal. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back for another episode of the One More Time Podcast. I'm Playback Ben here with my co-host. Henry with a three, aka The Trap Jack Black. Trap Jack Black. Who do we have in the hot seat today, my friend? Welcoming in on episode 85 of the One More Time Podcast. He started with the hip hop collective Odd Future. He went to Loiter Squad on Adult Swim. He's now a member of Jackass. It's Jasper Dolphin. What's up, Jasper?

No, never got that before. I look like him. I mean. We didn't know. I was struggling with that one. Yeah, we do this every episode, and you were kind of a tough one. But I thought about Schoolboy Q would have been a good one. No, I've heard Schoolboy Q before, though. That was my backup. You know, if you would have told me I would have wore a bucket hat. That would have put it over the top. In all seriousness, we have manager, co-label owner, works with Jetson Made, Rock Ken. The list goes on and on, to be honest. We got TP in the building. TP. Yes, sir. I love Loiter Squad too. That's one of my favorite shows in high school. It was good, right? The run was too short. It was. Yeah. It was. Yeah. R.I.P. to Loiter Squad. RIP to Loiter Squad. So happy birthday, young nudie. Right, yeah. It's his birthday today. Hey, I'm actually going to his party as soon as I leave. Oh wow. We didn't get the invite, but you know, that's all good, Nudie. If you don't want to come, y'all can come. Okay, there it is. Damn. Might have to call the wife and be like, I'll mean I'm going to be home a little later than I thought. I'm going to young nudie. Yeah, I'm I'm married and have a kid.

Wow. Yeah. How old are you? I'm 32. About about to be 32, sorry, in February. I'm 31. Well, why am I already saying I'm a year older? You've been saying you're 32 for a little month. For like a year, yeah. Chill. No, but yeah, happy birthday, young nudie. Yeah. Um, you know, you guys go back. How did young Nudie enter the picture of TP? I met Nudie as Savage's road manager. And Nudie was just coming with us on like whatever show Savage did, Nudie would always come and open up. And that's kind of how we met. It's crazy. We actually met over um Dragon Ball Super. Yeah. Like I was um, we had a show in like, it was on tour with Uzi, like years ago, years ago. Savage and Uzi? Mm-hmm. Parental Advisory Tour, I believe. Okay. Um, I want to say Parental Advisory Tour. Yeah, it was like Uzi Kodak, and I think Kodak got locked up. Sounds right.

So it was it was Uzi Kodak, Coh Hill Irish, and Savage was the opener. And um, yeah, so every morning, or every Saturday morning, I would, you know, open my laptop and watch Dragon Ball Super. And one day, I think it was in DC or like Virginia, somewhere up there. Nudie's just like walking by. He's like, Hey, that's Dragon Ball Z. You know how he talk? Yeah. And his voice is like, so. And I was like, Yeah, you know, it's like a new series. Like they made a new series, they continue the story. And you know, he was like, shit. I mean, they already got Dragon Ball GT. And I was like, nah, GT don't count. They kind of like, it's like non-canon. And he was like, So this is the new one. And I was like, Yeah. So he was like, Oh hell no. So he sat down, and I was like, You watch Dragon Ball Z? And he was like, Hell yeah. So I started over and we watched it. And like the whole tour, that was like our thing on Saturday. We would get up early before everybody else, because the episodes came out like Friday night late, but we would be at the show. So Saturday morning, like the whole tour, we would get up and watch Dragon Ball Super.

Wow. Yeah, that's amazing. So how do you go from just two guys watching Dragon Ball Super to ending up, you know, working with Nudie? So how does that, you know, progress? Uh after that, he started taking like rap, like he was already taking it serious, but like super serious. Um Playboi Carti invited him on tour. So around what time? Like, did he have a record that was moving? Like, like what era was this for Nudie? It was Prince of Bouncer tour was maybe I want to say 2015. And I want to say the it was Playboi Carti's tour when Magnolia first came out. So What was that 16 or 17? Yeah, yeah. So yeah, it was around that time, and I think Nudie had EA or Yeah yeah at the time. Okay. One of those two. And um he asked me, because I was like, you know, in the road, stuff for Savage, and he asked me, he was like, I'm going to a Cardi, like, come with me. And I was like, Bet.

And then him and his manager at the time kind of like it, I don't know, they got into it or what, I don't know. They kind of like fell apart, and I kind of just knew what to do. So I kind of just stepped in over time. Was that your first? Because obviously, you've been doing some, you know, tour management and road management, you know, with Savage. Was that your first like official artist manager role, or had you managed artists up to that point? I had managed artists up to that point, but nobody else like big. Yeah. So it was like that was like my first real one. Yeah. What do you think he saw? Was it just your ability to manage what was happening on the road? He's like, well, fuck, you probably know how to help me in other areas. You know what I mean? Like, what do you think he saw? It was that, and it was also like, so the person that Savage Manager Meezy. Shout out Meezy. Yeah, like from the mound. One of my best friends, that's who like got me even into being like Savage's road manager. So it was also like Nudie like looked at me like another Meezy. And he was like, you know, I I never really we never talked about it, but I'm assuming it was like shit, Meezy do a good job with Savage.

TP and Meezy is kind of the same. He'll do a good job with me. Yeah. We never really spoke about it because you know, it's not something you talk about, but doesn't need to be said. Yeah, it don't gotta be said, but I just feel like you know, it's just like it's like a natural progression type of thing. Yeah, so definitely. Yeah. So I saw a post that you made, and it was Drewski pretending to be like a gangbanger and like talking about knowing Nudie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And like that was back in like 2018 or something when you posted this. We're pushing 2023 now. By the time this comes out, it'll about to be 20, you know, 2023. I think this will be the last episode of 22. Drewski's obviously entered another stratosphere of fame. What was he doing at that point? Like, was he popping? He was just making skits. Okay, just the skits. And it's crazy because like I I thought he was hilarious. Oh, he I mean, that that video you posted, I was like, you know, I was doing my research and I was like, this is gold. He needs to repost this right now because like it was basically him like wearing a red fucking bandana and just like pretend, oh yeah, I know Nudie like you know it's just yeah I know Nudie and no, man. And then like he he ride around and like he the that whoever the offscreen guy he's like hey what up and the offscreen guy's like who the hell is you boy just basically playing off of the fact that like a lot of people in Atlanta claim that they know people and like they don't yeah but yeah so like that's crazy to have you know found that video of him like you know I guess talking about Nudie and I guess that was clearly he was the guy to know at the time exactly he was showing that like Nudie was on this you know trajectory that you know I just thought that was hilarious yeah go ahead now I just I like I don't know because me and Nudie speak you know ever so often I don't know if him and Drewski actually even like still talk now but I know after that video I like Drewski was like when I reposted it he hit me like yo get Nudie reposted and I was like I'll try but Nudie was like funny about shit like that you know because he didn't know Drewski at the time and I remember um um zone 6 day at Whitewater theme park it like they like took over Whitewater they shut it down future nudie big bank and 21 they like shut down Whitewater theme park it was called it was a thing anyway zone six day but they like that year they shut down Whitewater it was just people that they invited in there and I remember I that's when I introduced Nudie and uh Drewski that's when they first met wow I can't imagine uh zone six day at a water park. At a whitewater. No, it was a great time. It sounds fire actually

Damn, I bet some memories were made that day for sure. So do you feel like nudie gets the respect that he deserves uh I always felt like nudie is an artist's artist. Yeah. Like, I feel like, of course, he has a massive fan base, but I feel like way more artists respect Nudie than like the average fly by night rap fan. Yeah. He's also like a big white fan base, cause because an artist that I work with opened up for him in Athens, Georgia, at UGA. And there was like hella white people that knew every fucking word to Nudie. And I was just like, yo, I didn't know y'all were all tapped in like this. I mean. No, yeah, no, but see, the thing with with with Nudie is like I kind of, and it's something like I didn't know what I was doing at the time, but I I did my best to try to do it. It's like I was thinking about what made at the time Savage and Playboi Carti have that kind of like cult fan base. Yeah, because the people that are fans of Nudie, like a lot of them, like Nudie is their favorite artist. Yeah.

You know what I mean? And you know, a lot of those people came from Pierre, Cardi, and Savage. So it was like me at the time doing a lot of like research to figure out like what builds a cult fan base. And it's of course it's about the music and delivering when it's time to deliver, like projects, singles, whatever. But it's it's about the lore too. You know, like uh at the time, as a nudie fan, like I remember one of the the fan favorite things that he did was um we went to New York to do the double XL pitch thing. And it is it's one interview he did where he was like uh he was like, it was the voting thing when it was like, why should you vote for me? And I think Nudie said some shit like, yeah, I fought with double XL, man, but only came in because my manager made me. So y'all folks vote for me. Do what you do. You don't, you don't, I don't give a fuck. And at the time I remember like, I was like, why would you say that? You know, and I was like, but it's like that's what makes Nudie Nudie.

Yeah. And it's like, as a manager, you'd be like, ah, you didn't have to be that real. But the fans ate that up. Like that clip was reposted so much. So it was like the moment that I thought was like a fuck was actually like a eureka. You know what I'm saying? So I've seen artists do that now, but it's like it's even they're faking it. They'll pretend like, oh yeah, my manager made me do this, that. Yeah. Because I think people realize that that was like a strategy. He's also a bit of a trendsetter in that regard. Uh huh. Yeah, he was probably the first. Yeah, for sure. For sure. So fast forward to today. You're obviously working hand in hand with your business partner and a client of yours, Jetson made. Shout out, Jetson. Jetson made another one, is back at the Grammys this year. Yeah. Again. exactly. You posted a while ago that like if he won a Grammy, you were gonna buy a Rolex, and then you flexed like a huge amount of cash because you didn't win the Grammy, so you saved all that money. If you win this year, what are you buying?

Is he on Futures album or where No, Jack's right. Jack Harlow. Oh, Jack Harlow. Yeah, Jack's. If I win this year, what am I gonna buy? Yep. I want I don't want to say it, but I'm gonna say it. Uh let's go. I've been one that electric bins for so long. And it's that'll be my like so the regular bins you pulled up in, the AMG is not good enough? No. No. It's it What's wrong with the phantom outside? Yeah, I wish. well, one of my mentors always told me, like, this the perfect time to buy something dumb is to commemorate something important. Mm. So that's a good one. Holiday told me that. So shout out holiday. Yeah, you know, so that's what we're buying. The electric bins. Yeah, I I want when it comes to cars. I'm gonna keep that one. And it's like I want the electric bins and I want the Audi RSQ8, the truck. In case I have a kid, I want to have an SUV. Sure. So trust me, I'm already knowing that.

Just even him being seven months old, it's like shit. Now I realize why people have fucking SUVs. It's like you got to, you know, we went to the freaking beach and it was like packing our lives away. And it was like, how are we gonna fit all this in a fucking Lexus sedan? Like it is not happening. And see, I only drive coupes. so it's like Oh, even worse. you definitely can't fit a family in a condo. No, you gotta upgrade if you're trying to have kids, bro. Um so how you feeling about the Grammys as a whole right now, man. I'm not gonna lie, man. Like, I I to I'm always like never too upset because I realized I just take it for what it is. Like I'm never the guy that's like at the like in the past, before I was kind of in it, I was more upset than I am now that I'm in it. You know, because now that I'm in it, I understand, like, and I've had the conversations with like the people that are doing the picking and why they pick this and why they picked that, and it's like I get it. You know, it's like it's not it's not that deep. It's like the people that are doing the picking are like they don't know the base level of the culture because they're so high up.

But do you think that's a problem though? No, no, It's just, they're an organization and we just we as a society need to just understand it more, yeah. But it's like I feel like if you don't like how you guys are like ancillary for music. Like you guys are like not directly in the music industry, but like you report on it and you cover it. So it's like it's kind of like like you guys are supposed to know, but the person listening to your podcast on the way to work in the morning, it's not their job to know the inner workings of the Grammys. You know what I'm saying? What does that benefit you to know the process of the inner workings of the Grammys? You know, it's like why? So I feel like it's it's just a talking point for people. I don't think anybody really cares that much. But you know, like my thing is every now and then a song like Gorilla, like FNF will crack its way through and make it to the Grammys, and people be like, oh, look at that. And it's like, bro, because that song did what it was supposed to do. Like, if you're gonna be that culturally relevant song that makes it to the Grammys, that's what it's supposed to look like.

Yeah. They have dropped the ball a couple times though. Of course. Yeah. But it's it's it's human error. You know, it's like it's not a robot or a machine picking it, it's people. Exactly. And people make mistakes. I make mistakes, you do, you know, we all make mistakes. So it's like Yeah, and it is people and music and art is subjective. So like I do, as much as I love the shit on the Grammys, don't get me wrong, we've had a blast doing that. And you know, we all like to talk shit about it, you know. Yeah, but it's like at the end of the day, they are people, and to your point, maybe they do have very valid reasons for like what they picked as being in the conversation and even who's winning, right? What's the reasoning behind Macklemore? Now see, that was a glaring fuck up. You know, that was one of the ones that's the worst one. That's the worst. of all time. I'm not gonna lie. No, Come on. I mean, that's the one that everybody likes to pick, right? But my problem is I I don't look at the rap award. I want black artists to win one of the big four.

So it's like my problem is like when like Adele or Harry Styles or some Billie Eilish, like when they come through in a sweep, you know, and when did Billie win, like 18 last year or some shit. And it's like, and it's like, hey, um, nah. Ah. You know, like, was that really album of the year? No. You know what I'm saying? Like, Kendrick Lamar, like, Drake is one of my favorite artists. Drake and Future are my favorite two artists, right? But I personally feel like every time Kendrick Lamar drops an album, he should win album of the year. Not rap album of the year. Yeah. He should win album of the year. Because artistically, not even sonically or musically, artistically, nobody's doing that, bro. Like the thought that he put into them albums. So is he your pick for rap album, Mr. Morrell? I mean, I think Jack's going to win. I might have to disagree with you. on that. A little biased. You're supposed to say that. Yeah, so so speaking of, you know, another Jack Harlow and Jetson Made

collaboration, what's poppin'? Literally went fucking bananas. That's the one. It borderline broke the internet. We're almost diamond. Almost diamond. Wow. We're seven times certified, but it's actually eight. They just haven't certified number eight yet. Wow. And you gotta go 10 for diamond, right? Yeah. We need two more. Damn. So we're close. We're close. We're TikTok campaign away. Yeah. So my question is is like, as a the producer manager associated with that record, what do you do when that happens? Like when you catch this moment of like virality and just like, you know, into the next stratosphere success. How do you capitalize? How do you capitalize? What are the moves that you make to make sure that like, okay, we're getting the most we can out of this success right now? You know what I mean? I just think it depends on the client. So with Jetson's thing, he likes to be the guy that breaks the new guy. Like when even like take it back to before it's popping, even after like Suge and Bob with DaBaby, he was already talking to me, like, okay, like what's next?

And I'm like, I'm like, man, Travis Scott, Drake, 21. And he's like, yeah, that's cool, but like I want to find somebody else. Like, I want to find the next guy that I'm gonna break. And I'm like, that was kind of new for me, you know, because like prior to that, I didn't, and Jet will tell you this like when I when our first meeting, when I first met him and said, I wanted to manage him, I didn't know shit about producers. And I told him that I said, I don't know shit about producers. But so how did you even get that meeting, I guess? Like, set the stage, how did that happen? Nudy. Okay. Shout out Nudie. Yeah, there it is. Birthday boy. Nudy and Pierre had like they got into it a little bit. Uh around the time Slimeball 3 came out, I believe. They made up now, it's all good. But um, I need a new producer. Not even new. He just like, you know, they kind of had like a little disagreement, you know how it is. And so my thought process was okay, instead of trying to go out and find new producers, let me go back to Slimeball one and two and see who the other standout guys was. And that's how I found Jetson.

Because he did like my he did like real right, you know, some of the butt naked bitches. I think yeah, from Slimeball one, was like my other favorite records from Slimeball one that wasn't the ones that Pierre did. That's an iconic song name, by the way. Butt naked bitches, it's like, doesn't get better than that. B&B. And I was like, and I was like, this guy's fire. Like, you know, like I I need to meet him. And then that's that's how it happened. Okay, he just he just came from that. So and so you sit down and you're you're just like honest with him? like, bro, I've been working with artists up to this point. Like, I don't know what the fuck to do. But you're really fucking good. Okay. Like, I'm not gonna lie, you're that fucking good to where I think even me not knowing shit, you're so good. What I do know, if I apply it to just how talented you are, it'll blow up. And he was like, damn. And I was like, Yeah. He's like, where do I sign? Um, okay, so then y'all start working together, and you know, it makes perfect sense now that you're saying it, right? Like him starting his own label, Boy Meet Space, that like fits perfectly exactly with what you're saying.

Of like, he does want to cultivate and develop that next big act. Yeah, and that's that's always been his thing. Like, like, I'm not gonna say I had to make him, but every session he's been in with a big artist, I had to make him. It like felt like a chore almost. Yeah, it was like it was like it was like, bro, hey, this is this guy, like, come on, man. And he was like, he's like, yeah, that's cool, but they already got you know, and it's like to hit with him, it's like if I give so-and-so a hit, it's just another record in their catalog. Like, what like what does it mean? You know, like with DaBaby, it's like Suge is a timeless record. Like, Bop is less timeless than Suge, but it's a timeless record, you know. Like, when Jack was popping it's a timeless song. When Jack Harlow is whatever he's he is in 10 years, you look back at his career, you can always point to what's popping as the one that started it all. Because he had a whole career prior to that song.

He was already touring and he had projects out, it was already a thing. Same with DaBaby. He already had projects out. He was already doing his thing. That record when when those two forces met is what changed everything. And that's kind of his thing. He always wants to do that. He wants to be the guy when you look back at a huge artist and figure out where it all started. It's like, okay. Jetson was doing these records. This was a guy that made a click. Yeah, even though it didn't actually all start there, but it like took the fuck off of all that. Yeah. Yeah, because to your point, Jack's been doing this shit for a minute. Yeah. For a while. And same with DaBaby. He wasn't just like a brand new artist when Suge and- He probably had five mixtapes out by the time him and Jet met. Yeah. But like really taking like the fire that was kind of starting to like, you know, be there and then pouring gasoline on it and just taking it into you know a whole nother level. Yeah. He's a trampoline. Yeah. Trampoline records. That's dope.

And the whole thing with Boy Meet Space is like, okay, since we since like since you did it twice, like indirectly, let's try it directly. Yeah. In house. Yeah. Like let's find a guy and put you with the guy and see what happens. Yeah. So for Jet and you, I guess, obviously, how different has like, cause it is a label, even though I'm sure you have partnerships with, you know, distro or other labels. I'm not sure like what the business structure is, but like at the core, it is a label. Yeah. Where you are signing acts. Yeah. How much of like a change has that been, right? Like for you, even because you hadn't done like a label thing up until that point. Jet, I assume, hadn't done a label thing, right? Like, have you had to put your like label hat on? And like, has that been like a different mindset for you? I mean, nah, because the way we approach it is we kind of just both do our thing in tandem. So it was like before I met Jet, I was already an artist manager. And Jet's always been a producer.

So before he was working with DaBaby or Jack, he's working with other people anyway. So it's kind of like we just do what we do together. And it's like we're not, at least not right now, we're not looking to sign 10 acts. We're looking to have a roster of you know, four to five guys that we're working with day of day dedicated. Yeah, let's go ahead and shout them out. Uh, you know, yeah, who's on board meet space? So Rock Ken, PG Raw, Surf, and Legend Ye. We've got one of four as a podcast alumni. Shout out Surf. Yes. One of my favorite people, man. Man, we love Surf. Man, that was that was one of my favorite meetings. What happened? It was it was like when I put Surf and Jet in the room, I could just tell. I was like, Yeah, this is gonna work. Yeah, I mean, he's just got the best energy. He's a work, horse, man, horse man, like, and he's just such a great personality, too. He's unbelievably talented, too. Yeah, he's fire, bro. Let's

not denying like his voice is crazy. He sounds like Post Malone. His, the vibratos are unbelievable. for sure. Some of his melodies. I don't even understand where he comes up with this stuff. I've had, we've worked together a few times. I produced some records for him. Oh, really? Yeah, I'm trying to make that album, man. Come on, man. listen, let's do it. I can't wait. Yeah, wait. So we had Cam Kirk on the episode before this, I guess it will be, right? Yeah, and you know, he talked a lot about Metro Boomin and honestly his own career as a photographer and entrepreneur, and part of what worked so well with Metro is he branding himself almost as a rapper. I kind of feel that way about Jet. Yeah. Where his branding is like, this dude's just as much the star, yeah, as the artist. Do you feel like that's is that an intentional strategy? There was it was something that he felt strongly about from the very beginning. Because he always felt like, you know, and it goes back to not even just not on like no narcissism or an ego thing.

It's about I'm the guy coming in at a pivotal point in the artist's career and changing everything. So it should be highlighted. And it's like it's not it's not no thing where it's I'm the producer, I deserve this respect. And it was like, nah, I'm I'm the guy coming in and change shit, you know. So it's like I I want to be known as a guy coming in, changing shit. Has he done uh like projects under his own, like Jetson made like Spotify, for example, and stuff, or not yet? We need a Jetson album. We we we do need an album. Yes, we do need an album. Um we we actually working on a couple collab projects. Okay, cool. Yeah, yeah, because obviously Metro's been notorious for those. Yeah, um, and you know, his own project, you know, Heroes of Villains is going. Heroes and villains is fire. 185,000 first week, 105,000 second weeks. As a producer, yes, quit making fucking excuses, producers. Put your own fucking music out, bro. No, Metro Metro's the GOAT, bro.

Like, like Metro's, like, aside from being like one of my friends, he's just the guy. You know, it's just like I I tweeted out the other day, like he's up there with like Dr. Dre, Timbaland, yeah, for real. Yeah, and people were like, uh-uh. And I'm like, bro, like, do I need to serve you his catalog? What else does he need to do? When you think about the biggest artist of today, either he helped break them or gave them a hit. Yeah. Like, and it's not just rappers. He gave the Weeknd the number one. Yep. Low Life, right? No, no. Or even before that? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. The Weeknd have a number one billboard, number one record with Metro. Future, thug, Migos, you know, it's like Travis, 21. I mean. The list is crazy. So it's like when you like the thing about Dre and Pharrell Timbaland is like when you look at the time period, the guys that were making the moves around that time were all associated with one of them. So it's true. Because, like today, when we look at the guys that are at the top of the game, they all have something to do with Metro.

Yeah. It's true. They all they all do. So is that kind of like the gold standard for even like a jet? Yeah. I think, you know, like the producers that are like coming up after Metro, like, you know, Jetson, Tay Keith, like the guys like that. I, you know, I think that's all the goal for, like, anybody that works with us, or, like, you know, is to be to be that for this generation. You know, like because Metro was like 2010s. So I feel like right now we're in 2020. You know, so it's like anybody that's coming up now is you want to be that guy for this generation. For sure. So, how important do you think a producer's tag is? Super important. Yeah. Super important. I go back and forth on this all the time. Really? All the time. Well, because you are a producer, so how do you feel about it? I see the value in it. Um, here's my here's my main thing I'll say about tags. A tag, a good tag should sound like a part of the song.

Who your favorite tag? I mean, Jetson has a great tag. I I don't know if it's my favorite, but it's up there. Who your favorite? Uh man. I couldn't, I don't know if I could answer that right now, but my favorite tag is Tay Keith. Take Keith. That's that's a legendary tag. I can't even say it. It's not fair. Right. They're just excluding white people from saying the tag. But a good tag, like a tag that comes in and you're like, ooh, that's like a tag. That's never a good thing to me. If a tag like sounds like it could maybe be the first bar of the song, it's always better. Or even Pharrell is legendary for just the four count. The four count, Yeah. Like that being a tag in the beat. Boom, boom, boom, boom. It's I love that's incredible. That's super creative. And so like the tags are cool when they're like, they sound like they fit the song. Some tags feel like they should not belong. So Metro has a handful at this point, for example. And I think he does exactly what you're saying perfectly. Yes. Well, well, he'll use the like Metro, or like, or then he'll use like whichever one fits. Whichever one fits the song. Whichever one makes the most sense. Does Jet just have the classic?

Oh lord, Jetson made another one. He experimented with a couple. Like him and Jack actually have one. Okay. It's like Jetson made another one, baby. But I don't know if he actually like implements it. Okay, like for another it didn't sound hard just then. I'm not gonna lie. I mean, it's hard as the original. Let's blame TP for that one. Yeah, well, you know, I'm just I'm doing a rendition. I'm sure, I'm sure I did not know justice to his real tag as well. I'm done. I'm doing the rendition, but it's like but it also at the same time, it just wasn't as good as the original. Yeah. And I think the thing with with with Metro's multiple tags is like they all hit. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So what I thought was so cool is when Jet was uh bringing a choir together to do the choir version. It wasn't Jet. Well, who who did that? That was that that was Nemo. That was like Jack's like a right-hand man, Nemo. That was his idea. The old Lord Jetson made another one. Shout out to Nemo. Shout out. Wait, why would they That's crazy. They, They they are family.

Like Jet and Jack are like brothers. Wow. And so he just thought that that would be a cool marketing and like experimental thing. They considered it a part of the song. Yeah. Not just a tag. Yeah. Which is dope. I'm so happy I just found that piece of information. I was like, that looks so well orchestrated by Jetson of like, oh like my tag's legendary. Let me get these like choir singers to come in and do this. Matter of fact, Jack had a listening, like an intimate listening party for the album at STK when the album came out, was that 2020? At a steakhouse. That's kind of tight. STK. So they were just playing the album back back to back, back to back, back to back, back to back, back to back. Um we all sitting down having food whatever. And I remember Nemo walks over to us as the song is playing, and he was like, When the song gets to the end, I'm gonna come back over here. I want y'all to hear something.

And we like, what? Because you know, we haven't heard it yet. The album not out yet. Oh wow. So um the song plays, Adam Levine. We're like, oh, that shit is dope, you know, because we we Jet has like played me Jack's versions because I I heard all the songs, but only the version that they made in the studio, yeah, uh up to a certain mix, right? Whatever, like in the process. I haven't heard any of the final versions of anything. So um it like it gets to the end, and you know, Adam Levine is doing his like you know, his his little humming or his little maroon five thing five things. So then like, and then the crowd comes in. Me and Jet looking like yo, what the fuck? That's hard as fuck. So Jet didn't even know. He didn't even know. No, no, until it was submitted. This makes it so much better. That's way cooler. It's way cooler than me just thinking like Jet was on some, like, he hired a choir. Right.

Nah, you know, that, but that like that would be so anti-Jet. Yeah. That's not a Jet thing. That's not a thing that Jet would do. Well, I don't know him yet. So yeah. But I haven't had him on the podcast yet. So you know what I'm saying? We can get him on the podcast. Yeah, but it'd be legendary. That's not like that's not it's not him. You know, he's not, he's not like he's not that guy that'd be like, hey, let's have my tag as a what a choir singer. You know, yeah, not him. So when we heard it, like Nemo and Jack are like laughing, I'm like, oh, yeah, like that, yeah, like that. And we're like, bro, that's just fucking amazing. Like, that is shout out to Jack and Nemo first of all coolest nickname ever. Like, Jack and Nemo sounds like a buddy duo. So, what's the biggest difference then between you know artist management and producer management that you've seen? We've talked about a lot, we've talked about this a lot with you know, several other people, Steve O, who went from managing, you know, Mako, who I think you had some affiliation with even back in those days. That's where we got our Twitter names from. Okay.

And IG names. I don't think I think Steve O never put it in his, but my Twitter name at the time sucked. So I just I was like, Threw the OG in there. Yeah, I was like, fuck it. I'm taking this. Yeah, yeah. So, like, you know, obviously he was with Mako, and you know, then he transitioned to start working with Parker. He admittedly kind of had a similar meeting of like to Parker, like, yo, bro, I've never managed a producer, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, really. But Parker obviously saw the value. You're good as shit. Exactly. Right. So, but what have you seen now that you're you know deeper into the game? Uh, what what's been the biggest differences between like how you're having to approach you know Jet's career as a producer, and then you know, maybe Rock Ken and obviously Surf and the other guys, you know, on the um artist side. Different side of the business. I just think what I what I will say, just it would take me so long to just explain because you're you're fighting for two different things when you represent the artist, representing the producer, but I I feel like me knowing both sides lets me operate from a place of fairness where I can make everybody win. Because I understand from just dealing with Jet and the business on his side on his behalf, what I need to do to make sure he's happy and comfortable.

And just from working with Nudie and now um other artists, it's like I know what the artist needs to be comfortable. And now I can do both because I understand both sides, and I can make sure everybody gets what they want. Like, I can give an example. One of my producers, Trey Trax, he had a record. Oh, you represent Trey Trax, too? Fuck, bro, TP's the guy. I know. So I didn't apparently I didn't do good enough research. I'm pretty sure I saw him on Kingmaker Management, actually, but yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but Trey, me and Trey were friends first, and he kind of just asked me one day, like, bro, I need it, like I need like help. And I was like, for sure, no problem. So um he had a record come out. Um Blanco Brown featuring TI, it's called Trap Still Bumping. Um, so you know, I I have a thing, and I I did this with Jet too, where it's like, if you know the artist, like Jet met Jack first, but we all kind of I think the second session they had, I pulled up. So I met Jack right after, you know, their first session.

They actually made what was popular in their first session. Wow. But I I pulled up, and so we all know each other. Cause before the song came out, we had we were in session after session after session, late night, late night, late night, you know, just building a community. So I didn't, I didn't meet the baby until Kirk. So um, but it was it was it makes it feel more real to me when I meet the artist earlier, you know, because I feel like I'm part of the the what's going on. So um just for me knowing the business and things of that nature, Trey had the record come out with Blanco and T.I. And it was a discrepancy because I don't handle the business, I don't get in between it when the artist knows the producer personally. I feel like I've never stepped, like when when, and this is a thing that like people on the other side don't really like, but like when Jet and the baby talk about whatever they're doing with the songs, I don't come in and like make any edits when it's presented to me on paper. You know, it's like if if the guy that the baby signed to or Interscope, whoever is like, hey, this is what it is, I'm just gonna say, hey, no, this is what Jet and the baby talked about.

It should look like this. So if they come back and say something else, I'm just standing on this is what I was told. Respect the relationship. It's like those guys know each other. They have history. It's not my place to be the business guy and come in and fuck that up for any reason. Whatever they say is what they said. You know, so yeah, for better or for worse. For better or for worse. If Jet fucked it up by saying, No offense, I'm just I don't know if he does this ever, but just like if he agreed to some shit that don't make sense, it's like I would I would advise him that I don't think it makes sense. But if he said, hey, bro, like nah, that's just what we're doing for this one, that's what it is. I'm not gonna go back and forth on a personal thing because you know, it's music is bigger than that one song. You know, it's it's about the relationship over time. So I would never make somebody do something that was in detriment of relationship to make a dollar. So yeah, that's interesting.

I mean, because I've talked to you about this as well of like if if I know someone and you know someone, and we're all kind of friends and shit, it's more like whatever y'all say goes, to be honest. Like, I'm gonna do, of course, whatever like Henry wants, like, because I manage him as you know, him as a producer. So it's like, bro, if you said this with that artist, and shit, that's fine. But if you do want me to come in and like act like the business person. just tell me that and I'll do it. I kind of do prefer that too. I kind of even though people are my friends, I kind of like, you know, I don't want the business to hurt the friendship. Right, right. Cause you know, it's it's weird like that. It can be, you know. So um, you know, when when the record came out with Trey, T.I. and Blanco, Blanco and Trey had talked about this or that, and you know, no management or nobody knew anything was going on. So, you know, things got misconstrued back and forth. It was the song came out, it was a thing.

So, you know, management and management finally get on the phone, and now we're talking about it, and I'm on the phone, like, hey, this is another record, it's Monday. We're gonna do this shit the the regular way, you know. If Trey's a producer, he gets what producers get, you know, and that's just yeah, and that's just what he got. And that's like 50% of publishing, and then some points. And then, you know, like Trey's his standard thing is like, you know, X amount of dollars on his advance, 50% publishing, four points. Four points. So it's like, yeah, and if if it's a co-producer, they split it, you know. I do a thing where it's like I just if it's for if it's a co-producer on record, and you didn't tell me, hey, this producer agreed to this, I just bust everybody on it. Split it even, yeah. If it's four guys, everybody gets a point. And it's 12.5 apiece. Yeah, you know. Yeah, so something that I listened to a Metro interview recently, something that he talked about that's interesting when you are acting as kind of that producer artist, right?

Like he does, he just does swaps too of like futures on his, you know, album. He's given future one for the you know, you know, probably no advance or like minimal or like whatever, you know. So it's like that's when this shit is just bigger than like robotic business. There's a thousand ways to do it, and it's all people. It's people, and it's you know, and it's you know, everybody likes to say, and like don't take business in person, don't take it personal. But one of my favorite thing that Drake ever said is that business is always personal. And it's like in this business, if you do something to me that could like hurt me, I'm personally affected. So I should take it personally. It's not like, it's not like I work at some corporation and you did something to Walmart, and I'm an employee of Walmart, and Walmart takes a hit, but I get the same check regardless. It's like, no, if if you do something to hurt my business, I make less money. Whatever responsibility I have, I have not have to figure it out because I have less money in my pocket to figure out my own things.

So it's like it's personal. Yeah, damn. Business is personal. That's, It is personal. That's tough, man. Um, so you know, I did want to ask this to be honest, because you know, I'm I'm curious. You've had a couple of experiences where clients of yours have been put away. They've been locked up. Jesus, Henry. So yeah, that hurts, Henry. Uh, how does that impact you, right? Like, it sucks. Yeah. Yeah, it sucks. Because it puts a halt on everything, right? Yeah. So do you have to like be patient and see how things play out before you start making some, you know, I guess erratic moves where you have to, you know, because to your point, this is your livelihood, right? And if you're a manager and you're working off a commission that is driven by an artist's revenues, they're locked up. There's only so much fucking revenue they can make behind bars.

Right. We know that you can stream whatever, right? You're not doing shows behind bars. It's just not happening. Right. Uh, so like, yeah, what what what was your experience like when like nudie got locked up and obviously Ken was away for a bit, right? Like, how did you deal with that? Nudie getting locked up hurt me a lot. Um that was because that was like my first rodeo. So I didn't know what the fuck was going on. I just remember being scared every day. Like, damn. Like, I don't know what the fuck to do. You know? Yeah. Um, but that's how I met my current criminal lawyer now, Scott Smith. Now I'm not as worried. Shout out Scott. Because I have Scott. Like, um Scott helped with Kenny? Yeah. So it was and it was crazy. So, like when when King got locked up, everybody wanted to hire a lawyer from Augusta because they just felt like he would he would handle it better. Is that where Ken's from?

Yeah, Ken's from Augusta. Okay, well. And then the lawyer we hired did a great job. You know, not the best job, but he did a solid enough job. Um, taking too long for me. So once I felt like it was time to move this shit along, I um I brought the powers that be together. You call the big dogs. You call Scott up, be like, hey, bruh. Yeah, we need you. And and literally when we added Scott to the case, Ken got out like a month later. Wow. Shout out Scott. Scott. He's good. Scott is the goat. Is it a thing too where sometimes in hip hop, you know, artists can kind of get clout from getting locked up. You try to capitalize off it at all, like like a first day out kind of thing, or is it just all bad? It's a slippery slope, man. It's like it's like you kind of have to, but I hate it. Like, I just hate clout moves. Yeah, I try to make things like I just try to make things real as possible. I just hate like clout moves. I hate I hate anything done specifically for a clout.

Um and but it varies. I will say that because I do have my moments where I'm I do want to do a clout move. I'm not gonna lie. Like what's like one that comes to mind? Come on. I'm mad you asked me about it. Yeah, let's get it. I wanted to say one, but I wasn't gonna say it. Now you have to. Now you have to. I have to, because you asked me. So um he can be mad at me for saying this. Uh but surf. Yeah. Surf has a song called Bit. And Russ dropped a song called Bit. Russ has a song called Bit. the same shit. And it's the same song. You gotta capitalize off that. But Surf didn't want to. Why? So I left it alone. Oh wow. But I I wanted to just because of my dislike for Russ. I FaceTimed Surf immediately when I saw the Russ song. And he was like, he was telling me just wait, as in like he was going to do something about it. He was going to do something. And then he psyched himself out. I don't know. He just he just didn't want to. He um, matter of fact, we had a convo, and he was like, I don't want to be the guy that's known for coming at somebody else about a song. And I was like, bro, he stole your song.

And he was like, Yeah, but I just don't want to be known for that. And I was like, I feel it. I respect it. He could have came off in a humble way, I think, like, oh wow, this is kind of funny, you know, or something like that. This is kind of funny. It's interesting. I was trying to find a way, but you know, damn. I'm interested in your dislike for Russ. Let's unpack that for a second. I just so it's not the traditional, I don't know why everybody else don't like Russ. The reason I don't like Russ is people like, and I don't like chance for the same reason. People like him and chance that like did it a certain way. Independent? Yeah, but it's like, but they had factors involved in their career that's not replicable, uh right? And when you leave that information out, you make the next guy think that it's doable. But what you didn't tell him is I had this other thing going on that I don't want to talk about. What did Russ have? He dropped like 400 fucking songs like in a year, right?

Yeah. And it's like, you know, like Russ probably got like what, like 10 gold records, 10 platinum records, maybe. And it's like, if you just look at it, it's like you were throwing darts at a board, like blindfolded. You know? Is that a legitimate strategy though? Is it he's Russ now? Right now. So it's like, you know, can the next guy do that? Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Right. I don't know. That's an interesting one. I don't know either, but I just know it's not what I recommend. I'll say that. The records can't be all quality for sure. No, I'll say this. I think what I dislike about Russ is kind of where I think you're going. It's the way the information's presented. Where it sounds like he makes it sound like it is so simple. But it's not. But he's he's arguably just a.000001% chance of that working. He's a he's he's an exception to the rule. Yeah.

Exactly. And he presents it as if it can be the new rule. And it's bro, and everybody, everybody that knows like statistics and the way things work is like, bro, that's not how it goes. Like the average artist that's gonna be big is gonna be signed to a label. And the label's gonna pump million into them and they're gonna become a superstar. Yeah. And it's like, but even that is already a.0001% chance. Yeah. So it's like, you mean you're gonna you're gonna be the anomaly of the anomaly and tell people that it's a that it's a thing that they can do. Yeah, you know, I just pay for my radio. It's 300k, I had the money. Like, bro, yeah. Nobody, it's a recession, bro. People ain't got three dollars. You're talking about 300,000, nobody has that, bro. That's interesting, man. Um, so you're from Atlanta, right? Yeah. Born and raised, what which side of the city? did you from? I was born in Alabama. Okay. Oh. I moved here when I was five. Yeah. Awkward. How the fuck did you become such a diehard Packers fan?

Like, we need we need to know this. My dad, my dad was a Brett Favre fan. He was a diehard Brett Favre fan. Okay. Brett Favre also played for the Falcons. Yeah, he did. So he brainwashed you into the Packers and into the cheese headedness. Yeah. Wow. What was your first uh experience like at Lambeau? Like I saw you were there a few years back or something. Me, and Oz went. Oz took me to a Packers game. Straight on the PJ, right? Yeah. Private jet. Let's not discount the fact that he's also a part owner of the Packers, technically. Not a part owner. I was like, don't be rushed and like it. You know, give false info. Explain it. The Packers are like a privately traded team. You can you can purchase shares of the Packers. And I just I just happened to buy a couple. It was like five bucks a share, guys. It's not that impressive. Minimum investment gotta be like up there, 50 racks or something. Nah, I think it was like 500. Really? Yeah. I could be wow. We could be it. You want to should one more time invest in the Packers? I mean, maybe we wait till they get better. You're not.

The shares will go up. True. Yeah, invest low. So, nah, because you can't sell the shares ever. And they aren't worth anything. Uh sounds like a terrible investment. No, it is. It's a Ponzi scheme. It's fan service. It's like literally, I love this team so much. I want to give them my money in a different way. Do you get tickets or anything? No, you get tickets to a shareholders meeting. Who cares? Where you don't get to vote on anything. I mean and you don't get to meet the players. Yeah, like it's just like a meeting of other just diehard fans that were dumb enough to give their money. Yeah. And I I went amazing. I went, I went, it was it was fun. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Sounds like an early NFT scam or something. Yeah. Like a real life version of it. Hey, don't talk about NFTs. Well, but they they tell you that it's worthless though. Okay. At least they're honest about it. And they say you can't sell them. Okay. They're non-transferable shares of a football team. Yeah. And there's just infinite amount of them. No. They only release them like to be sold like every like 10 years or so. Okay.

That's at least a little bit of exclusivity. So I had to have them. Yeah. I had to. Because I will be 40 the next time they come out. It's like I I can't wait that long. Right. Had to. So speaking of NFTs, you're also an investor in Sound XYZ, right? Yeah. Are you? Yeah. Dope. How did How did you know that? I'm that's how good I am. How did Sound XYZ just rally up like the culture of Atlanta to be angel investors? Like you, Steve O. I feel like Meezy maybe got in. So it was a clubhouse thing. Yeah, like uh I think Meezy met the founder David on Clubhouse. And David was like, I need all your friends. Because Meezy was dominating Clubhouse. He was Mr. Clubhouse. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And so then he was just like, Yeah, TP, I need you to join me in this. NFT venture. I was in a room, a clubhouse room. It was Meezy's room, and the owner of Clubhouse hopped in. Yeah. And he was talking to him. And Meezy was like trying to get some ownership. Yeah. we gotta make a phone call, you know, one on one, talk to me.

That app was so that was that app was uh moment. What do they call it? Like a culture experiment, like yeah, like a human experiment. Terrible idea. People are still like using it, I feel like I see it's a clusterfuck. It's like all like Wack 100. and his cult. it's like Wack 100 and like gang members, and stuff, right his weird cult he has, yeah. What the fuck is that about? Bro, I didn't even know who Wack 100 was until I like listened to a few interviews of him, and I was just like, who the fuck is this guy? Well, the thing is, especially in the web 3 crypto space, these people really like talking, but not necessarily being seen. There's something about that. That's why Twitter Spaces is the new place for them. I I I think in the beginning of Clubhouse, like it's gonna sound elitist, but like in the beginning, it was so good because it was literally just like it was invite only, and it was nobody there but like tech bros. And it was like music people started getting invites, and it was this subculture of music clubhouse, and it was mostly tech, and this small subculture of music clubhouse, and that lasted probably until about the time where they like the invites started getting sold, and they like let Android go on the platform, kind of burnt it out. Yeah, Android anytime you let Android people do something, they kind of fucks it up.

Shout out the green text message, yeah. Bad energy. Sound XYZ though, that's dope because they definitely they've emerged as the no that music NFT platform, they're the one right now, and it's it it's super real because let me tell you the best thing about Sound XYZ, in my opinion. We all invest in it, right? Me, me, the I think drama invested in it. Yeah, Steve-O too. Steve-O. Yeah, and none of us have put an artist on there, to my knowledge. Why? They sell out perfect timing. It gotta be the right time. The market is way down, obviously. Yeah, but it gotta be the right time. Okay. Like even when it was new, I didn't want to be the first guy. Like, oh, I want to do Rakim. It was like, I want to wait. Yeah, you know, I wanna, I wanna figure it out, and I want to do it the right time to where when we do it, we strike, and it's a thing. Mhmm. Yeah, what I thought was funny is you know, I I called Steve-O earlier because it's it's his birthday today, too. So many people's fucking birthday today, by the way. I was like, Sanitary season. Yeah, I was like on like what happened nine months ago that people were just having sex, like rampant.

Wow. No, literally. Yeah. I don't know. What's nine months ago? March, like spring break? Yeah, spring break babies. Ooh, okay, makes sense. Might be me. But yeah, so I you know, I called Steve-O earlier, and you know, he hasn't really he like doesn't even know like what his money's doing sometimes. Like, I don't know either. Yeah, like okay. I do know that David told me that my 10,000 is now worth 60. Okay, that's pretty good. That's a good ROI there. Yeah, yeah, but I I want it to be worth a hundred. Yeah, well, once it's worth a don't we all once it's worth 100? I'll start to care. We need the market to come back. You need you're gonna need like two, three years, I think at least. So let's and I'm fine with that, you know. Like I'm long term, yeah. So, you know, what I find most interesting about the wave of Atlanta executives like yourself, right? It seems like all you guys are friends, yeah, and you all came up over the last like 10 years together, right? So let's take Steve O manages, you know, super producer OG Parker, you managing Jet and having the label with him, Redd Push at Venice, uh Amber Grimes at LVRN, all the LVRN crew, right?

Like uh Quinn with baby Tate. I mean, just all these people, right? Y'all clearly have like a strong relationship and a strong bond. Like that clearly has to come with its perks, right? Yeah, like when you're navigating like opportunities and stuff, right? So that seems obvious. What I would ask is is there ever like awkward times where it's like someone wants something and maybe it's just you know what I mean? Like, do you ever have to like let your homies down? Like, is it does it ever come with like drawbacks? Not for me. Okay. Because I don't. I try to deliver, you know. If I can't, I just say I can't, or I don't think I don't think I could do it right now. But if one of my friends call me after something, I try to deliver every time. Yeah. Just and I hope they do the same for me. I would hope. Yeah, it's interesting. Like the biggest common, I guess, comment about the music industry is that it's full of fake people. Is that your experience outside of like what you've clearly built here in the city?

Difficult question though, because it's like, yeah, but also no, because I don't have expectations for anybody that I didn't come up with. So like if somebody acts funny, I don't even remember that I texted you to ask you that and you didn't respond. I don't even see our text thread until I go to ask you for something else. Or you or you ask me for something. And then it's like I get a text and it's like, hey, can you? And I look at our thread and it's like, but I asked you a month ago to do this, and you didn't say anything back. So now I feel that way, you know. But no, it's like it's like, yeah, but those people from wherever they're from, that's a it's the music industry. Is that's how they're supposed to act? I'm not bothered by it. So you see that more in like the majors, yeah. Yeah, it's like people are weird, you know. Yeah, but it's like they're supposed to be weird. They're industry people, yeah. Yeah, I just think it's so cool.

What I'm like so proud of Atlanta, honestly. Like, I came into the game late. Like, like I'm like so envious sometimes of seeing you guys who are about my age. You know, we talked about it, we're all kind of like similar age. Y'all been doing this though, basically, since you were in college type of time frame, like, you know, 10 years ago, type of deal. And to see what y'all been able to do, it's almost like I'm sure, of course, some of you guys have dropped out and failed, whatever, right? Yeah. But there's a solid core group of you guys who going back, you know, me doing my research, seeing posts of like you with these same people 10 fucking years ago, back when Instagram, like Borderline just came out, like in 2012. It's really cool to see everyone kind of like navigate the industry together and make something of themselves. You know what I mean? It's funny because when I was in London, I was with uh Meezy and Toonday. We've been knowing each other 10 plus years. Um I just went in my phone recently and changed Toonday's name to Toonday. Is it had you had some weird like funny name? No, he was a

DJ, DJ, DJ Incredible. And it was bad in my phone for such a long time. Yeah, and I I I did it like I just went through my phone and updated contacts. Like, what made me do it was uh my business partner Ben, he used to work at Roc Nation. So his name on my phone was Ben Roc Nation. So I just one day I went and I changed it. And once I did his, I was like, let me just go do everybody. So is he the main Ben in your phone now? Like, so what am I in there as? Other Ben. No, am I Ben one more time? No, you're playback Ben. Playback Ben. Okay. Yeah, there you go. That's cool. See, there you go. Yeah, damn. But okay, so yeah, so you basically had to like go and change Toonday's name because it's like he's not DJ Incredible anymore. And you know, like, I, and it's like no funny shit. It's like when you first meet somebody, you don't know them. So you gotta put the reminder in that name. You gotta put like like like Amber, Amber Grimes, her name on my phone was Amber Reebok. Because she worked at Reebok when I met her. That was what she was doing back then, yeah. She had a promo team, but I didn't, I I knew of her from that.

But when I met her, she worked at Reebok. So it was like, even though I knew of what she was already doing, I wouldn't put her on my phone with them because I didn't know that Amber, you know? So it was like Quinn, you know, like Quinn, um, when I met Quinn, we were both savages, like drivers, like road managers. So like I think Quinn in my phone was like Quinn 21. Mm-hmm. You know, so it was like now he's Quinn Tate. Quinn Streamcut. Quinn Streamcut. Yeah, There you go. but now he's just Quinn though. Cause like after a while, once I know you, I just it's just Yeah. once you get to the one name basis with TP, and you're locked in. But you know, you locked in way before I change it. It's just I gotta just change it in my phone. For sure. So you posted something about if nobody hates you, you're not authentic. Mm-hmm. This is like maybe a while ago. That's a good one, to be honest. But like, break that down a little bit. It's a guy on TikTok.

I found his name was like Hermes something, Hermes a cynic or something like that. Yeah, and it was on his post. And I don't know, I found that dude randomly because of the algorithm. And I was like, yo, everything you say, I don't agree with, but a lot of it, I'm like, this dude don't fucking miss. But I I I just when he when he said that, and I watched it, it made me think like, excuse me. It made me think like, damn, if nobody, if nobody hates you, how can you be your real self? Like, nobody says anything that everybody likes. You know, like I'm known for being a Twitter troll, but it's because when something happens, you know, like my first thought that I like or dislike about it, I just say it. You know, and it's like I don't think too much about things that aren't that aren't beneficial or harmful to me. You know, like if I'm watching Lakers and AD goes up and gets hurt, and I'm like, man, this fucking bum ass dude always getting hurt. Like, like, bro, how are your teammates with LeBron and you're not durable?

Like, whatever he's doing, go fucking do that, you know? And it's like I could tweet that, and people that you know are Lakers fans could get mad and say whatever, but it's like, but I don't give a shit. You know what I'm saying? It's like that's that's my real thought, and it deserves to be into the world because it's my real thought, you know. Yo, give me some of your most controversial tweets. Um, you know, what are a couple that have just caught the most flack? I don't know. All the ones that catch flack when I say them are about like I don't know, girls or something, like it's about relationship shit, or like um because I mean, is it all the girls hopping in the comments? Yeah, like the retweets being like fuck you TB. Yeah, it's like it's just like bro, like who cares? Like, you know, like my whole thing is like, you know, I I can't think of the tweets, but like my thing is it was like if I make a tweet about what I look for in a girl, and you don't identify with that, why do you give a shit? Like, you know, like people on my timeline say shit all the time that I don't agree with, but whatever you say ain't got shit to do with me, you know.

Like, like if you say your favorite color is blue, some people on Twitter be like, so what about purple? What about red? Yeah, I don't give a shit what color you like, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. You have to not care about other people's opinions because people don't know you. Yeah. They still want to comment and you have to be able to deflect that. Was it Glorilla recently that posted the ad for an assistant? Yeah. It was like $500 a week, preferably white or gay or something. That was summer. That was summer walker. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but but GloRilla also posted something about an assistant and fucking Kato on the track is like breaking it down, being like, all of you guys are in the comments being like that slave you know, slave wages, like blah blah blah. And he's like, look, back 10 years ago when I was like wanting to make it in music more than anything in the world, I would have taken that. I would have done it for fucking free. I'm not gonna lie, like the problem with the music industry is is that nobody has to. So it's like when people on Twitter like, they should get a little bit of wages, and it's like, I don't have to do anything. Yeah, because you want it, that's not that's not the job for you.

Right, and it's like, so I will give you a tweet that I said, I said about the music industry, the best thing is you can always do it yourself. So if you don't like how much Glorilla's paying for an assistant, you can as yourself go find an artist, pop them off, have them make hit records, build the brand up, and then when your artist wants an assistant, you can hire them and pair them whatever you want to. Yeah, just go do that. That's if if it's not the job for you, just move on. But music is like everybody's in the game, but you're not in the game. It's like I tweeted out like people are sideliners, you know, or nosebleeders Because everybody's there. Everybody's one song away from being in the game. Everybody's here, but they're not on the field because they're on the sidelines. You know, it's like you gotta make that song first. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I talked with the uh the former chief marketing officer at Cinematic Music Group, you know, Johnny Shipes' label, uh, Chris Hirsch. Um, and he he was kind of more talking to me about like, you know, I was like pushing 30 at the time when I had a call with him, being like, hey, how do I like break into this music shit?

And he was like, Ben, and multiple, multiple people have told me this as well. It's basically what you're saying of like go do it yourself. Like, don't you don't need to go get an internship at a label, like go fucking break an artist. Like, you're smart enough, capable enough. People do it all the time on their own. If you want it that bad, you can go do it yourself. And you know, it's a highly competitive field. Oh, yeah. So like it's not like it's not like, you know, like being a doctor or nurse where it's just you just you go to school, you get the degree, and you just find the job. Because it's like it's like a field where it's like it's not a lot of nurses or doctors, I guess. I'm assuming I don't know. You know what I'm saying? But I I would imagine that like it's not that hard to find a job as a doctor. There's probably not a lot of unemployed doctors and nurses, right? But I can there's a lot of unemployed ARs, you know what I'm saying? Because

there will be no AR hate on this podcast, TP. No, because like everybody thinks they can do it. Oh my god. Yeah, you know, managers and ARs. It's like everyone just wants to wake up and say that they're an AR or a manager. Even the artists, like everybody thinks that they can do it. Like, like, I was talking to uh Barry from Since the 80s. He's we were just at the Since the 80s recording camp. How was it? Amazing. Yeah, but we spent like two hours with Barry of just listening to him just talk nonsense, but like most of which was about like how John Stockton's not good at basketball. I don't know. That was a big conversation. But there was a majority of it of him like talking, talking shit about everything. Just I'll leave it at that. But and it's like Barry is he was we was talking the other day, he was just like, everybody thinks they can do it, but like they all scared to do it, or just don't want to do it, or just want they want the easy way to do it. And it's like, bro, it's no easy way to do it. Like, did I want a job at a label in the beginning?

Hell yeah. But a label didn't want to hire me until I did nudie and Jetson and PG and Rock Ken. And it was like, after all of that, is when labels was like, hey TP, you'd be a good AR. You know? It's like now you don't need them. Yeah, because you're doing AR work for Interscope. Mm-hmm. Okay, yeah, because I I did notice that. So yeah, it is almost like you gotta prove you gotta, but it's like that's the game, you know? And it's like now one of my friends, um, Derek Aroe at RCA. Yeah, he actually came up is that double? Yeah, okay. Double doozy. Yeah, he came up through the label system, like he was the assistant and then the, I mean the intern, then the assistant, then the AR. So he was bred so he did that, but it's like, bro, that's so few and far in between. I don't even know how to be that guy, you know. I come from Atlanta, and it's like it's a sudden thing, is we've always been taught to just do it ourselves, and then that'll come to you. New York and LA is like, okay, you know, you go, you do this, this, that, and it'll whatever it is, whatever it is.

I don't know. I'm not from there, you know. Yeah. But I think here's always been, well, let me just do it. Shit, I don't know. It's crazy. I I've said this now multiple times on recent episodes. I think I just live in an Atlanta bubble. We all do. Where like I think this is normal. We all do because I'm hearing your story. We have majority Atlanta people. This is like Atlanta music culture is like what we like to highlight. And I mean, this story is just very Atlanta. It's the norm. Of like Steve O, same shit. You, same shit. I mean, I don't need to name all the guests that have talked about the same theme, but it it really is of like none of y'all were really none of you guys who are now at this level of success in the industry here in Atlanta did the traditional intern to junior AR to regular AR assistant to regular AR. Like nobody did that. Also, at the time, it wasn't that many labels here to do it for. Yeah, no, I mean that's true too. Like, you know, Me, when me and Steve-O met, it was QC and Street Execs. Yep.

That's only two I can even remember, you know. LVRN came about a little bit later. And you know, now you got slaughter gang and YSL and 4PF, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Now it's opportunities, but back in the days there wasn't no get a job, where, you know, like how? Right. Yeah. For sure. Like everybody I know that works at a label now, like um, like, you know, like Amber and Rachie, they worked at companies. Like Rachie worked at Re. I mean, Amber worked at Reebok. Rachie worked at I think Rock Nation or something. Like, and it all transitioned into I did marketing for this company, so I can do marketing for you because I know music people, and I, you know, I've done marketing. I can connect the two dots and work here. And it was like, but it was never a direct line how it was for a guy living in New York or LA. Yeah. You know?

For sure. So this episode will air right before the new year. 2023, what are you most excited about? Like, what's you know, what's on the roadmap? What are you looking forward to? Um, my, so like, my one of my main goals for 2023 is I wanna I want a platinum or gold record from Boy Meet Space. Okay. That's a good goal. Yeah, that's the that's kind of like the only thing I'm thinking about. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, not not just a Jetson made produced beat on a Jack Harlow album. Got enough of those. Yep. Yeah, yeah. The wall is full of those. Nah, I don't have no space for all the plaques. Hell yeah. So Boy Meets Space, Gold or Platinum Record. We need the the plaques on the wall from the Boy Meets Space uh label. All right, let's manifest that shit. Let's go. Should we take a couple seconds? Yes. Okay, that's enough. All right. Henry, we've entered a final segment of the podcast. Where are we at?

TP, we are at the Rapid Fire rampage. And if uh you haven't seen an episode before, it's a three-part rampage. Mm-hmm. I'm gonna start with some short answer questions. We're gonna do a this or that. I'm gonna give you two choices. You pick one, finish it off with a word association. I just say a word and you just spit one word off the top of your head right back at me. Sound good? Yeah. Episode 85 with TP, starting with the short answer. TP, what is the greatest physical pain you've ever felt? Ooh. I like broke my foot on the way to a nudie show. Oh. That shit sucked. Sounds painful. To this day, I never got I never got surgery or nothing. So to this day it still kind of hurts sometimes. Just walked it off. You should probably see a doctor. Walked it off. Couldn't walk for like two weeks, but it was fine. Jesus. TP. What is one of the weirdest things you believe in?

I kind of believe in that ice wall around Antarctica thing. Oh yeah. Oh Lord. I hate that I kind of believe in it. Yeah, that's up there with flat Earth. Yeah. It's not as bad as flat, earth. If the Earth is flat, are the sun and the moon and other planets flat too? Yes. Which they're all not, so we don't need to really even entertain this fucking malarkey. TP, what is one question you hate being asked? Why am I single? Okay. TP, why are you single? Because I'm a narcissist. Because of all those narcissistic tweets he's throwing out there. It's the his Twitter. If you deactivated your Twitter, you'd probably have to. Any girl who's about to go on a date with him checks his Twitter feed and then just cancels it. Yeah. I had to wash my hair. What is your favorite and least favorite thing about Atlanta? Favorite thing is the food. Least favorite thing is the traffic. God, I sat in so much traffic today.

Classic answer. Saturday afternoon. Why the fuck? It doesn't matter what time it is No. It's terrible. You can switch lives with anybody for one day. Who do you pick? Diddy. And what do you do? Whatever the fuck you do. Whatever Diddy does. We do what Diddy does. TP, what day is the first day of the week? Sunday. Thank you. No. See? What the fuck? This is gonna be a good one when we mash all these answers up together. Jesus. I agree. 16-year-old TP just moved in as your roommate. What is the first thing you argue about? Cleaning up. Messy, that's a theme. Because 32-year-old TP is still messy. So maybe don't argue about that. Maybe you're just like, oh well, par for the course. TP, you must get rid of three states. Which states do you delete? North Dakota, South Dakota, West Virginia.

Not bad. Can't hate on it. How many Jolly Ranchers would fit in a job? A Dodge Challenger? A lot. There you have it. Wrapping up the short answer. What is your favorite curse word? Fuck. Part one. Part one. Pretty good. He's quick. Very vague on the a lot, but you know, we'll let that slide. Because 21. Yeah. A lot. You should, you should, like, How many fit in a rancher? A lot. I'll just put this out. Yeah. I will. Or Ben will. Someone. Oh god. Thanks for offering all my editing skills per usual. Always. Yeah. Moving on to the this or that. I'm give you two choices and you pick one. Rapping. Rapping or singing? Rapping. Bass guitar or 808? 808. Snares or claps? Snares. Green or purple? Purple. Golf or bowling? Golf. Wings or pizza? Little pizza. PlayStation or Xbox? PlayStation. Milkshake or sundae? Milkshake.

House party or the club? Club. Would you rather be a poodle with your current brain or be you with a poodle brain? Poodle with my brain. Women like poodles. They do. They don't like me so much. Maybe he wouldn't. Maybe he's single. Yeah. be single anymore. This dude's like slowly gonna have a girlfriend by the time this rampage is over. Speak every language or play every instrument. Oh play every instrument. And finally, get a face tat of Lil pump or have permanent hiccups. Permanent hiccups. There's no way I'll put Lil pump in my face. No way. Man, but permanent hiccup sounds like a hell yeah. Yeah, but nightmare. A Lil pump face tattoo is not. It is. Yeah, god. That's those are just terrible choices. What would you tell your wife? I mean, exactly. I would I would have to just be hiccuping the whole time we're married. I'm sorry. But the speed, let's not discount how well this man is doing on this rampage.

Holy shit. Record breaking. This is it's all gonna boil down to this last part. Okay. The word association. I'm gonna say one word and you just say the first thing, first thought off the top of your head. Here we go. Rampage! Starting as always with hip hop, rap, ego, me. Nicotine. Cigarette. Perfume. Chanel. Podcast. Playback Ben. That's amazing. Fuck you, Henry. One more time would have included both of us, but that's okay. Sorry. Yeah, no. No need to apologize, TP. Doctor. Strange. X. Fuck. Fuck. Work. Christmas. Day. whiskey. Smoky. I don't know why. I feel like those bartenders make some like smoky whiskey There's smoky tequilas.

No, there's they like do like glasses and shit, bro. It's like a fancy whiskey. thing. Mezcal's, Nasty as shit. Yeah. I'd rather have the regular tequila for sure. Duty. Calls. Calls. Lil. Pump. It's fresh on the brain. Yeah. Strip club. Allure. Conspiracy. Theory. King. DDD. Kingmaker management. Tried to throw the alley oop to Kingmaker, but nonetheless. Nah, Smash Bros. This has been TP. Appreciate you coming on as always. Please like, comment, and subscribe. Much love. Hope I didn't bore y'all to death. No, that was amazing. Until next week, Henry, what are we doing? Getting out of here. Getting the fuck out of here. Peace. Yeah.