Jace on Revenge of the Dreamers Sessions, the Dynamics of Rap Group Two-9, and More

The wants that I wanted for myself personally, I've been got I went all around the country with my closest friends, man. I performed in front of 60,000 people. I've been flown out because of my music, because of my art, because of my taste level and what I do. So it's just like the other stuff, that's the extras. The one more time music podcast. Genuine conversations with genuine people about music. Hosted by Henry with a three and playback Ben. Find that one more time, find that s*** like one more time. Find that one more time, one more time. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back for another episode of the One More Time Podcast. It's Thursday. Everyone's favorite day of the week. I'm your host, Playback Ben here with my co-host. Henry with a three, aka The Trap Jack Black. Henry, who do we have on the podcast today, my friend? Welcoming in on the 44th episode of the One More Time podcast. Globally renowned superstar, comedian, and actor. It's Kevin Hart.

God damn it. God damn it. You know, we had to go with the short joke. That makes sense. I'm not, we had options. We went with we went with that. But I feel like you embraced that shit. Well, I definitely embraced, I mean, I can't really do much about it. It's a good reason. Touche. I definitely touched. I definitely embrace it. It's funny because I just the Kevin Hart thing is always uh upsetting because it's just like it might because you're like you see someone and you're like, man, I'm not like that guy, but then other people are like, man, if I thought about it, dude, you guys are just like, and I'm watching, I'm like, man, fuck that dude. Not fucking but It's like that dude's nothing like me. But then everyone else, like, you know who you're like? Like, you guys are just being lazy. No, I'm not even going to lie. short black. Exactly. That was a lazy race. In all seriousness, folks, we have legendary recording artist, songwriter, Jace. Jace. What's here, man? What's good, my guy? Happy to be here, man. Yeah, Happy to have you. It it took a little bit, but I'm glad we finally got you on. I think 44 was gonna be.

I like it. I like the symmetry of it. I like the symmetry of it. I'm here, man. I'm happy. We were talking about symmetry off camera We were. Henry wanted to go with a new chair on his end, and I said, yo, it threw off the symmetry that we had going on. We have to have the same shitty chair. I can't upgrade my chair. So I'm uncomfortable for Ben's wishes right now. Maybe we should just get two better chairs for the next one. Probably. I was just uh over the weekend or shooting another podcast. No. Uh Denzel Curry was in town, and he he just hit me up like I'm shooting this video. I just need some extras. And I said, you know, I would rather be the homies. Um man. I pulled up randomly. It's a song that he has with T Pain that I just didn't know. Denzel Curry and T Pain. Yeah. Actually amazing. Wanted you as an extra in their video. I mean, I don't think I think Denzel did. I don't want to lump T. I don't I don't think Denzel told T Pain, like, yo, I've got this friend, Jace. Oh, yeah, Jace for sure. Jace? You mean the Jace? Yes, Denzel. We need him. Why would Send the car.

No, that's not what we forgot. Gotcha, gotcha. Um, but we did the video with the aesthetic of it was inspired by Wes Anderson, who of course is the director known for his color uh scheming and his symmetry. Wow. So full circle. It's coming all around. So, Jace, before we really get into the meat of this, you know, conversation, fit ain't nothing. But what about it? Don't lie to us. Is that you? Right here at the exclusive. One more time exclusive. One more time. We need it. It's not me. It's not you. It's not me. now I will be honest. I do know who it is, but I've been sworn the secrecy. I can't fuck it up. Fuck. I can't. I can't. Well, my next question was. The thing was, I was given the information, literally, because they wanted me to shut up about it. Like they said, you were talking so much. shit. you were trying to figure it out. No, not even that. Yeah, no, but they're just saying, like, you doing this, is, like making it hot and making people investigate it more. Yeah. We did, they was like, oh, we appreciate, you know, you talking about it and shit, but like, just keep it chills.

Oh no, I'm saying they because I don't want, I don't want to gender it. That's why I'm saying they, not because it's a group of people. Because I'm not, I don't want it's one person. It's one person. It is uh one singular person. But for people that don't know, real quick, fit ain't nothing. So yeah, fit ain't nothing basically just is an Instagram account that trolls poorly dressed celebrities. Yeah, it's about it. I say poorly, I mean definitely poorly. The fit ain't there. Man. This shit was not hitting. So um definitely doing a service to the streets and the community. Wow. I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie. Are they from Atlanta. Yes. Oh, yes. Um, I'll be honest. If it like I I would be hard pressed for a time where I don't like when I know I'm going to like an event or certain shit going on, and again, I'm not even probably the type of uh known person that fit ain't nothing would go for, but I don't like even just leaving the house today, it's just like, man, if they catch me, Am I straight? I'm not yet. I'm not going to be on fit ain't nothing. Like at least that much, even if I don't got it all the way on today, I'm gonna be able to do that. He makes all his decisions Based on as far as style. A lot of them. Yeah. Anonymous.

That's definitely that's a factor. That is definitely a factor. It's not ending up on Fit Ain't Nothing. Damn, they're doing their job. They are. Yeah, that's incredible. But so when did you start kind of getting into you know style and caring about you know how you dressed? Your fashion guy. Um I would like to think so, but uh I have friends that are just way more fashionable and fashion guyier. than me. Yeah, but when I started getting into it, probably around like I was 16 and I had my own money and I could really pick out the type of stuff that I was into, and I was all already super into just you know Eastern cultures and Japanese shit. So that kind of Japanese. Yeah, man. Good kanji script, all types of shit. So around 16, 17, when I got my first job, and I didn't have to listen to my parents' suggestions on what I could wear if I was spending my own money. That's when I started getting into sneakers and just That's when I got like my first Stussy shit, my first babe shit. But then when I really started like paying attention to it and like learning like who was designing shit and like who did like season runs and certain shit, was around the like I was probably like 18-19 when I started hanging out with like Fonnie and Siege started getting into it more. They really like like designers.

Like I would just like the brand and be like, oh, if it has this on it, but they'd be like, oh no, so and so didn't do that design, or you know, this is the run it, you know, skate thing was doing for babe. This is what you know we should be. That's when I started paying attention to it. But shout out Fonnie and Siege. by the way. Yeah, shout out, shout out my guys. Big shout outs. Yeah, who are you looking up to as kind of like yo, these dudes are fly. Like at that time when you started to care, were there some people that you were kind of looking at that were like, damn. Just for real. For real, Nego, um, uh fuck this guy now. But Terry Kennedy was a big like uh uh style influence. Okay. Um but those those were the big, those were the that was it. Like I wanted to look, I wanted to just dress like them. I wanted to, I still want to dress like Nigo. I still want to dress like Lil Wayne circa 2005, 2006. Like that was to me, that's like the peak of fashion. It's the Pinnacle. That is the pinnacle of when niggas was fly. But um so it's either look like him or just don't make it on fitting. Yeah. Yeah. That's how that's what was like if if I'm judging where my fashion sense is at, in between.

It's either don't end up on fit ain't nothing and look as much like Nigo in 2005 as possible. It's fucking possible. fucking possible. That's hilarious. So so you spent time between Brooklyn, right, and Atlanta? Not between like we was living in New York and then we moved out here, but I would go back up for suburbs and stuff, and I don't have like I have no family other than my dad, like I have no family here. So everyone's up in Brooklyn? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um my mom lives in Brooklyn, my grandma uh moved to Long Island after they sold the house in Brooklyn, and then I got family just scattered throughout New York. Like I got a lot of my dad's family is in Queens. So just shit like that. But I would go up for summers and stuff, and then it's just a part of my growing up was like always kind of culture shocky because I didn't like inside my house was still very New York. Like my parents don't have an accent. My parents are Jamaican, my family's Jamaican. And then so it'd be like inside the house. Like I don't even know if I really started saying like shit, like ain't, finna, until like I was like maybe in fifth grade. Okay, like just because that's not how like certain shit was spoken, not even not even when we didn't say it, but it not even how it was enunciated, like it was a different type of shit to it that I didn't even really start getting into until like maybe fifth or sixth grade.

Yeah, just being told you sounded weird. Yeah, I was gonna ask, like, so you know, kind of where do you draw influences from, you know, the New York side of things versus Atlanta? Like, you know, are there things that you kind of learned like either culturally or did you just go full south when you came down here? Um no, no, that's that's the thing. Like, full south, it was just hard. Like, I grew up with my parents, my parents still had like their Brooklyn accents, and my mom still goes into her Jamaican accent and starting Patois. So, like I said, especially at that that young, you spend so much time still around your parents, yeah, that it's just like you still kind of sound like what you talk like at home. And I remember that was part of the assimilation process that was difficult. I think for me and my sister, We just like, you know, we talked a little more proper. I just our accent was a little different. And that, you know, especially in the South, like kids is gonna join your ass. Like, what the fuck? You talking like that? And you know, but you just get used to it. You grow up here, and then I drew most influences from both. Like, especially because I started getting older here, and just like, oh yeah, like, okay, Lil Jon on the Eastside Boyz, Ying yang twins, okay.

Lil scrappy, this is what's here. But then again, it's the same thing with just the accent and other shit. I go home, my dad doesn't listen to that shit, but my dad listens to a ton of hip hop. So I'm listening to fucking Biggie and Wu Tang and fucking Jay, all of that shit. Uh my pops wasn't super big. My pop wasn't super big into Jay or Nas. I discovered Jay by myself, and then I discovered I really didn't even get into Nas till I was like maybe 16. Okay, like when I started getting into rap shit. But yeah, so someone that you mentioned earlier that has been a huge part of your life for I think like 17, 18 years, is Siege. Yep. Shout out retro sushi. Shout out sushi. Shout out my boy Siege. Yeah. So so how did y'all even, you know, first kind of link or like what drew you guys together originally? Um, so we went to the same middle school and high school, and he's a year under me. And I think he was just, I mean, he was a white guy, but he hung around all the rap kids and the black kids and shit. Since mind you, that was just also just where he grew up at.

That wasn't like an intentional thing. Those were just, you know, his circumstances. Yeah, his circumstances where he grew up at and the people he was around. And um, we I think we just met after a rap battle. Uh, we were rapping in the so you, I was a I was a sophomore, he was a freshman. And if you were freshman and you freestyle rap, you had to rap on your hallway. But if you were like a sophomore, if you were an upperclassman. you could rap in the gym or the cafeteria. Like they would let you in the. There was a whole. Oh, yeah. There was a whole system. I mean, when I say it was that strict, like it wasn't like a spoken thing, but it was just like you could they wouldn't let you in the cypher. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, if I like I remember being a freshman. You just won't be able to start. Yeah, you won't be in, like, nah, he's he's fresh. And they uh that or they just wouldn't know, like it's just like being a kid and going to the courts. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's the the big kid court, and you know what I'm saying? It's not that they don't see you standing there to get picked up next. They're not gonna pick you, fam. You're you're seven, bro. Like, get over here, bro.

But then, like, once you're a sophomore, it's just like you can kind of get in there. They've seen you were here last year. Okay. Oh, yeah, nah, that's a little cut. Okay, cool. But Siege was already so cool, and he already knew so many upperclassmen and shit that he was in. And he wasn't rapping though, but you also really couldn't. Like, I went into a couple of those cyphers because I was good at rapping, but you really weren't even supposed to go. I had an upperclassman homie named Snacks. Shout out this nigga Snacks, he was a senior. Shout out Snacks. He was a senior at Chamblee High School when I was a freshman. I don't know. Yeah, you went to Chamblee too? Yeah, I went to Chamblee. Bro, I went to Chamblee Middle. Oh, for real. That's great. I was like in the magnet shit. Me too. Well, so did you know Caleb Colossus? That name sounds familiar. Yeah, he was the dude on Rhythm and Flow, uh, like the Netflix show, and he's a rapper here in Atlanta. Yeah, I don't I didn't know he literally is the episode before you. Oh, for real? Yeah, oh, that's crazy. That's crazy. and yeah, he's super dope. And so he went to Chamblee. Oh, yeah, word. Dang, I didn't even know that. So I felt first of all, my high school is a legend factory, and it's not discussed enough, but seriously. There's some heavy?

Whatever. And I'm not even just talking about like rap shit or music shit. Like, we have like, and just from my four year classes span of knowing people, like we got fucking news anchors and we got fucking uh like sports analysts. We got people just doing other regular big shit. Like we got this one girl who's just like a regionally renowned chef at this point. Um just all types of shit. That's dope. So yeah, shout out, shout out my Alma mater. That's that's dope. But so Siege was just hanging, hanging around. Yeah, but then see, the other thing with Siege's crux was that he was again, he was a producer, so he could beat. So he was already making beats. No, I don't know if he was making beats yet, but he would beat like on the table. He had the pencil flow too. he would beat. I think Siege was more of a Siege was more of a knuckle guy, if I remember. No pencil. No, I don't know. But maybe he was. Yeah, but on just on the bleachers or whatever on the gym door. Yeah. And I think he was just in there. I think he was doing the beats that day, or maybe he wasn't. I think maybe he was kicking it was so long ago.

And I think I rapp. And I I I remember snapping. I don't know what the fuck. I'm sure you did, man. Snapped. And I remember, and mind you, I've I knew who Siege was, but we weren't cool. We weren't friends. Like he was just that white kid. And he just came up to me. That's still how I'm referred to. Still who you are. And he just um he came up and he said, bro, like you fine. You know what I'm saying? Like you was rapping your ass off. And I guess he was making beats because that's how we got. He said, I make beats. And at that point, you know, finding beats was just like it was hard. Yeah, A lot harder than today. So much Type in type beat on YouTube. bro. Like, that wasn't a thing. So I'm like, bro, you make beats? And he was like, yeah, man, like I got beats. And I think I went to his house. I think that happened like a Tuesday or a Wednesday, and I went to his house that Saturday. I went all the way from the east side, all the way. He stayed by uh our school. And um, yeah, we just I think we locked in that day. He was I I thought looking back at all, I thought I was in there with Ye. Like, he in there, like you know. I'm chopping this shit up, and I'm like, yo, this guy's the craziest.

This is crazy. Like, I'm in here, man. Like, we're about to be fucking the biggest fucking rappers. And um, yeah, so that was how Siege. Oh no, no, no. He was ahead of his time. Uh man, still ahead of his time. Maybe. Siege was yeah, and it's interesting because Siege was always in the same way that a lot of my friends were. He was always super into music. Like he was always making playlists on his iTunes, he was always making mixes. Um, even now, you know, he's transitioning to his DJ shit. He's always, like, I always, even when we were young, I was like, this kid could DJ any party. He just know like he didn't just because it was crazy. I was listening to like a lot of older soul shit and like older hip hop shit because my dad had a lot of vinyls at that point. But like, I think again, because his dad had a has a musical history and his mom is just super into music. He listened to like everything. And I in my head, I was already listening to everything. But he was just like next level shit. Like every like shit that I had never heard of, and like I don't know, like weird. He challenged you.

No. I don't want to say challenge, he opened up like my scope of like in my head. I'm like, man, y'all not listening to like you know the Delphonics or the four tops. Like, I'm listening to this old shit. And he's like, Yo. I'm listening to this old shit, but I'm listening to like I I want to say Siege introduced me to the Beatles. I wanna say that. Wow. I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure Siege, like I knew who they were, like, and I knew like sir, like I knew like Hey Jude and so shit, but like he was like, No, this is the fucking Beatles. And I was like, oh shit, this is the greatest shit I've ever heard. So where does where did I gotta know Retro Sushi? Where's that coming from? How did that happen? that what? So we're it's got some of the Japanese kind of you were talking about. Yeah. Um freshman year, I'm going to Clark Atlanta. Siege at this point is effectively dropped out of um the educational institution. It's for him. He's It's not for him. It's not for him. It was never for him, actually. It was never. honest. He had to figure out. He was one of those the first kids that I knew that was very much like, bro, this school shit. Fuck like everyone else, I just knew it was at least at least trying to do it.

Was trying like because it like their parents were tripping or they they at least thought they wanted to go to college, but Siege like very early on was like, nah. Education system, not for me. Uh and so yeah, we was my it's my freshman year. Uh I met Fonnie my freshman year. And again, Fonnie was just a huge initial supporter. He was like, man, see uh Jace, you can rap your ass off. Siege, you can rap and you can make beats. Like, and we had already been a part of a group in high school, so he was just like, bro. Yeah, don't try and skate past this. I was Because I found out that you were a part of Crank That Spider-Man. And I almost shit my pants because that was Siege hates Siege hates uh that gets brought up, but I don't know. I'm so happy that this is brought up. Sorry, Siege, we'd still love to have you on the podcast for sure. For sure. Yeah. I always feel like it it it for me, it's such a like a uh it cements me so much more, and just just within a fabric. yeah, that's what I'm saying. Just like just You're the Crank that Spider-Man guy. It's culture. It's part of the culture, like I look at it just like that's just one of my like so uh I was on Instagram the other day, and uh a friend of mine, Kodak, who's from the East, uh he has this uh no, not that 6K. Yeah, 6K.

It's my boy. He has the um Shout out 6K. The Atlanta Hood Historian page, right? Oh, damn. And he he dropped So. the classic Atlanta song, Bankhead Bounce, is by I didn't notice. And again, because I'm I'm not originally from here. I don't know if that's why I knew or not. But it's a cop. That D-Ray was a cop out. But that D Rock from Ying Yang Twins made Bankhead Bounce. Wow. I never knew that. Wow. So to me, that's what it's like for me. Mind blown. Like it's just like, one, D Rock is already legendary, like one of the greatest, you know, at least Atlanta wise, one of the greatest, just in influential duos in what was happening in Atlanta at the time. Yeah. And it's just like, so already respected off that. And then you find that out. And it's just like Oh shit. this is exactly what happened for you. That's what I I mean. That's what I that's how I look at it. I don't know. Bankhead bounce is your crank that exactly. I was like, I already love Jace. Yeah. And then I literally found out, you know, doing my research that you were a part of Crank That Spider-Man. And I was like, oh my God, I fucking did silly dances to that, of course.

I mean, because the crank that era was epic. I mean it was huge. It was great. It was huge. The whole snap era. The whole snap and crank that era was was so cool, man. Um so I do want to talk about, you know, obviously the the evolution of 2-9. So it it kind of morphed into you know different things along the way. You know, what was it originally before you were even, I guess, a part of it per se? Like, you know, what was it started as? Originally, yeah, if we take it all the way back, it was some, it was uh Key Curtis and our mutual another mutual friend of ours, but just their friend at the time, Julian. They all used to like hang out slash work and skate at the skate shop called Soul Monkey, um, which was a downtown. Um, and Siege and I used to just go there. So they they just had like a group, I think it was called the SBI, it was called Surrounded by Idiots. And they were making music yeah and at that time to kind of finish your retro sushi question Siege and Fonnie and I just came up with it's it's interesting because Fonnie is technically not even technically he's a part of retro sushi you know what I'm saying like that was the whole crux of it he was supposed to be like the creator he did our first covers anyway so we had started retro sushi we wanted a a name that we wanted like a two-part name and we wanted something that was like eclectic and uh represented the eastern influences so we chose retro which is we listened to a lot of old stuff like I mentioned and then sushi which is prepared for you fresh and at that moment and we thought that's what we were trying to come combine at the time I love that so that's what we did because I mean were you going by Retro Jace?

No retro jace was just because that just like your handle for a while? Yeah. That was just my handle just because I was into I guess retro shit like I was collecting Retro Jordans at the time and the name was retro it seemed it made sense at the time I don't fucking know because and it was just like it was partly because I was wearing like retro Jordans a lot and then Siege was wearing BBC a lot so he was originally BB Siege on Twitter. Oh and then so that's kind of kind of cool that was kind of I thought it was I hated when he changed it sushi siege is a sushi siege is also amazing. It's way harder to say it's kind of a mouthful sushi and I sushi she's you always say Siege we ended up saying Siege it's a tongue twister for sure um but yeah we were doing that and we had linked up and again at the time I'm collecting shoes and I'm in the what what fashion is available in Atlanta at the time and Soul Monkey was a huge shout out to big Homie fruit and fruit. And we would go there, Siege and Fonnie and myself. And we would just see these three fucking kids there sometimes.

And then I remember one time we went, and this kid was like, yo, can I send you some beats? I guess he had seen Siege around. It was Kurt. And he was like, Can I send you some beats? And Siege was like, Yeah, sure, kid. Siege, Siege is always gonna fucking go for it. good luck. Yeah, like my inbox is flooded with fucking party invites. I don't got time for your fucking beats. But um, yeah, so that was pretty much it. That's how we kind of met them. And then even then, it was kind of just like a peripheral thing. Like there were just some kids that also were at a uh a skate shop. that we used to go It's like a group of friends. Yeah, yeah. It's not like a musical. Well, yeah, I was gonna say, was it actually musically oriented, really, at the beginning, or was it more just like kind of a click up? No, I was definitely, it was definitely musically oriented because after we met, we didn't start making music with them. That's just when I met and first could put names to faces. But it was like a little while later, after we met Johnny and Dave at this um, my bad. That was all the way away from the mic.

It was a little bit later after we met Johnny and Dave, uh, at this shit called Battle of the Duos that uh home girl of ours, Fadia Cater put together. Shout out Fadia, she is uh doing huge things. Love you, mom, love you. Um so we did that and we met Johnny and Dave, and yeah, we just it was just like we felt like we were all it was definitely musical. Like we were like Johnny and Dave are super tight, Key and Kurt are doing their thing. Like we could just take this shit over. And it was definitely musical, like we can combine fan bases and do this, and you know, uh Kurt and Key and Siege at the time made beats, as well as uh, you know, and it was other it was other factors like Neek and Wavy Wallace, a friend of ours named Damien. So we had someone who could record, which was Damien. So it was out of like musical necessity, and we generally were like, oh, these people dress like us, they talk like us, they're into what we're into, whether that was skating or sneakers or fashion or you know, whatever. So it just made sense.

Or that's at least that's how you know. I I I love I love and hate retelling like how the shit happens because I feel like I'll tell the story and then like key'll watch this and be like, Man, that ain't how that shit happened. Man, I told Siege. send us the motherfucking beats. But that's Key. If you want to come tell your side of the story, yo, fact check Jace in the comments below. Is this dude telling the real deal But that's uh that's how it, that's how I remember it playing out to me, and we recorded one night at my um this one bedroom I was sharing with my sister because I was the only person that lived like alone or not with a girlfriend, like not with a parent and not with a girlfriend at the time, and we cooked up, and then we Called it pilot music. Um, and that was pretty much it. We just would try and record every day. I was still in or pretending to be in school, and um what does that mean? Like I was. I was going to school, but it's just like I wasn't fucking going. Like I would like I was going to go.

He was there, but he wasn't cold, but he wasn't. No, because I dropped out, so I dropped out of Clark Atlanta, and then I got convinced by my mom and dad at the time to enroll and just go back to school. Like, you're not doing anything, go back to school. I'm like. fuck it. So I go back, I go to Georgia Perimeter. Okay. And but it's just like I would just go, I would leave in the morning, and maybe I would go to class, but a lot of times I would just hang out on campus. Like it was just people there. It's crazy because both me and uh Brick who runs Bstroy, we went to Georgia perimeter at the same time, and that was how we met. And he used to come around when we would do earlier shit. So shout out my boy Brick. But um Yeah, I didn't know he was. I mean, I love Bstroy. Like the shit that they do. That's yeah, like their socks and shit are so dope. the beans, everything. So they just dropped some new shit, man. Fuck with my boy Brick. But um that's what I mean by like I was just going and hanging out with the homies up there. Yeah.

Um, and then but then I would I would leave and then we would just try and record. Like, it was just like who got gas money? Who can go pick Johnny and Dave? All right, who can go grab key? All right, bet JC, you home? All right, bet we someone gotta go get Damien. He gotta he got the laptop, and then we would try to as much as we could. So that was pretty much that's the origins that I was like, Yeah, so so tell us about the creative dynamics of a group like that, right? Because you know, we talked about this on the podcast a few episodes ago. I'm yeah, we talked about how collectives are very difficult to make work, yeah. And and of course, we'll get into kind of like you know, the evolution of it, but just like the creative side of things with that many people, a few producers, a few rappers, whatever, right? Like, you know, how how did y'all navigate the creativity and like the creative process, you know, with that many people involved? Was that tough? Or um, I I mean, I I feel like it maybe got a little more difficult later. Mm-hmm. Like, I feel like um I feel like before forever was a little more difficult to navigate, but for the most part, and at least for us, it was pretty easy because we got we got set in such a system so early.

Some of it was based off of necessity, some of it was just based off of, but we the first project we made, which was called the starting five, which just had Curtis producing, and then was just me, Johnny, Dave, and Siege rapping, that's five of us, with key as a feature guest. It was like necessity. Like we everyone wants to get on the song for the most part, because we didn't get to record like that. So it's like if the beat is hard and everyone's getting on it, like I gotta get on this. Right. So it's just like, you know, we divide it, like we usually split eights. We usually get someone on the hook. So it's like whoever does the hook, optional if they do a verse or not. But if they do, if they they don't have to, you on the hook. And then two two other artists do a eight bar, share 16 on the other side of it, share 16. And was good. And that was just a system that we kind of like, it was out of necessity. Like we want everyone on the songs, we want everyone to rap. And we just kind of that just kind of became our thing. Like people would be like, all right, Jason Key probably gonna do the hook.

All right, cool. I gotta have an eight. Um that was the best way to have five artists on the song. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And just like a math equation of like, how do we but it was very much under it kind of just developed and was just understood. Like it was never like a tacit conversation, like, oh, if Jace does, or Jace will do the hook, and if Jace does it, it's just like you just knew. Like it's just like, oh shit, I'm on the hook, so shit, uh, damn, you do a verse. You know what I'm saying? All right. And then in that time, C is like, man, I got my verse. I want to snap before damn snap. Boom. So it was it was just kind of uh, and because it was so new, and I don't think we really had our actual identities yet, just so because so little had happened that it was just a little more freewheeling, and then even just over time with it, it was just easier to do because we started off with almost like an incubator process of those first two little projects we did. And then so we just kind of know how it goes when we in the studio. Like Key probably in a rush, he going to do the hook. Like he wanna, he want to, he want to get this shit

He wanna get this shit going. You know, not even that he's trying to get this shit out of here. He has a lot of ideas, so he's like, oh, yeah, let's get this shit going. Niggas know if Key gets some shit going and it hit me or it hit Johnny or Dave, the the song pretty almost done right there. You know what I'm saying? And people know I'm going to write. quick as fuck, you know what I'm saying? So the song already there, and that motivates, you know, Dave. If he hears my shit, he like, oh damn, Jace just went in there and snapped. And I didn't really know where I was gonna go with my verse, but him snapping made me me want to snap. All right, shit. I'm ready to go. All right, Jason Dave is splitting them. So was it pretty frictionless then, creatively speaking, or were there you know, disagreements on like creatively what things were happening, or you know, I mean, I guess like early on. If there were, they were, I don't, I don't if they if they were, they were so inconsequential that I don't remember them. Yeah, and nor did they make them feel like there was friction. Yeah, yeah. Like, I'm sure there was a time where C was like, I don't want this song on there. And you know, they got resolved quickly, yeah, yeah.

But it was just like, bro, uh, yeah, maybe niggas would be like, oh yeah, well, let's vote. Who want this song on there? Who want it. All right, shit. Yeah, and then you just gotta eat it. Like it was never like, it was never, I don't know. It was never a distinct, it was never majority wins. Yeah, it was majority wins, and you went with it. You know what I'm saying? There was, I'm sure there was definitely times where people like, man, I really hate this song or whatever, but it's on there, you know what I'm saying? It was never nothing was ever stalled by anyone being like, man, what the fuck? Like, nah, this isn't going, I don't want to represent myself in this way, and this song is whack. That's not fucking happening, man. But we're gonna drop this on. But again, I think some of that was because we were so eager. We really just wanted to have shit out. We really just wanted to present ourselves to the city. That it was just like, well, what we gonna argue about this for? You know what I'm saying? That Jace wants this song on here, but C doesn't like it, and he got outvoted. Like, who fucking cares, bro? We trying to drop. You never drop anything. Yeah, so it's just like We trying to drop. You trying to drop, right, Jace. We all want to drop. You going to hold the bros up.

Yeah, no, right? So let's go. Okay. Yeah, but so then, you know, shifting gears to the the business side of things, right? Because, you know, that's when I I feel like shit started getting a little complicated, where like management deals started happening. I mean, you know what I mean? Like, how did y'all navigate the business side of things? You know, initially were you even worried about it? Were you even thinking about it? Like, how's this? I think I don't think we were ever worried about it. It was just, and to our, you know, to our uplifting and to our detriment, it was always just gang shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? Even like, even I think I'm trying to think of just little shit that happened. But us having our own manager who was measy at the time, and then B right managing Kurt and certain shit, like, it's just like none of that shit matters as long as we just like it's all gang shit. Like, we still right here. I think maybe we could have been a little more conscious of it and a little more, you know, linked in locked locked in with it. But for us, it was just like gang shit, man.

I'm like, all right, you want to set that show manager? All right, cool. As long as that don't interfere with like what we trying to do or whatever. Yeah, but like individual members having their own management versus you guys as a group. I mean, that started getting a little confusing, right? Especially when it came to like bookings, like who's going to shows. Maybe. I don't know. That's why, but that's why I said I don't think I was paying as much attention because other than you know, key saying once we started getting managed by um big Jeff, Key was like, all right, well, I kind of want, I don't really want to go in that direction. So he stepped away. Again, that was you know, that was an amicable choice. Like there wasn't even any friction with that, which is like, okay, that's what you want to do. Um because he went and and was working with Key Henderson at the time, right? Or was that I mean yeah, yeah, yeah. He was no, he was already working with Key. That was his personal manager. That was already his personal management. But then as a group, you guys wanted to go in the DTP management. Yeah, we wanted, so the thing is we were all separate. Like Meezy was our manager, B.

Right was Kurt's manager, Girl Key was Key's manager. Um so when you say are, are you talking about you and Siege? Yeah, we yeah, see, that's what I guess. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Because it's like two nine was but that's what I'm saying. That's why it was never confusing for us because we all already had our singular shit. Like Johnny and Dave had a de facto manager even before the group had a manager. Okay. So he was already kind of, you know, influencing their decisions or saying, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, maybe do this, yeah, maybe look at that. You know what I'm saying? Or even support shit. Like he was like, Yeah, you know, this is a good look. You know, y'all linking up. Yeah, so like I said, that's why I don't think it was a factor for us thinking about it. I feel like maybe for the outside shit and certain other shit that did end up affecting stuff, yeah, maybe. But for us, if you're talking to me personally and what was going on with us, it was never confusing for us. Like it's just gang shit. Like, no, I don't give a fuck. I just wanted to make music. Yeah, I don't know, you know what I'm saying? No, it's so cool because to be honest, like it it clearly, you know, cooled off.

You know, it, you know, people went their separate ways, or just you know, things things didn't keep going in maybe the direction that honestly we all kind of hoped they would, you know, just just being a fan of uh of the group, but like, you know, sitting in this seat today, do you think that rap groups and collectives can work? Yeah, and I mean it's in my head, I feel like we worked, you know what I'm saying? Sure. I do I do. I think we, you know, what I'm saying reach the the full potential of the talent that was there. No. But as far as pro if you're asking me, do rap collectives or rap groups work? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Even you know, whatever happens or dissolutions or people go do their own shit, you know what I'm saying? As far as the the effectiveness was to attract the even when we linked up, it was to attract attention to this to this group. They did that. So we could attract attention to what was here, you know what I'm saying? And I think that's what we did. I think we put, you know, what I'm saying, we put eyes on me and C's for sure, put eyes on Key. Key's going on to do fucking crazy shit, put eyes on Johnny and Dave, who are also transplants from Detroit, and we're here, and you know, We had a small fan.

The bigger they had the biggest fan base out of us when we linked up, but they didn't have you know the hold on the East that they did when we were doing this shit. Yeah. So to me, I look at it as just it was effective as hell, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't that's amazing, actually. No, that's great. We didn't even really think about it like that. But it's yeah, because maybe the the two nine, if you look at it very narrow, where it's like, did the group two nine, you know, like I guess, you know, survive, if you will. Maybe not, if you look at it from you know, you guys aren't actively putting out music as two nine per se, but that's a really interesting perspective around like you're clearly thriving in the you know, in the space. Siege is still doing his thing. I mean, shit, he was DJing some huge event. He's just you know, recently. Man. One of the most booked, one of the most booked motherfuckers in the city. Man, always got something going. Yeah, and then key, obviously, same thing. It's like odd future didn't last super long, but do we now know who Earl Sweatshirt is? Yes, we do. And Frank Ocean, and all of them. Even if you look, even if you want to look at, you know, the if we go down the line of other members where you look at like Haji, you know what I'm saying, or all of them. You know what I'm saying?

Mike G, like they've all it's been a platform for all of them. And I think that's instead of looking for did the collective, you know, survive for 20 years and was consistently. What is the definition of success? Yeah, I always looked at it just like look at Wu Tang. Like They. they had a very tumultuous, I would say even more tumultuous than ours. And look at all of those artists. Motherfucking uh Method Man is on one of the highest viewed um uh cable, not cable network, but uh because it's on shows and he's hosting show, but he's on power and shit. He's on one of the highest view shits. The Wu Tang show, by the way. And the Wu Tang show is amazing. So good, so good. And so it's just like when when I look at the I don't I look at the success of collectives like that is what was able to happen from it when we're looking at when we try to judge success. Yeah, that's how I look at it. No, that's that's a that's a great point for sure. So, you know, kind of focusing on you in particular, having you know continued to thrive and kind of find your way in the industry. I mean, obviously, you've you know, we'll touch on your artistry next, but like from the songwriter perspective, I feel like you've really found your your groove and you've like you know locked in as a songwriter, and that that lane has been a really sustainable lane for you for the last you know several years, I would say, right?

Is that is that a fair like the last three years? Yeah. Last three years. Yeah, for sure. So who are the artists that you're kind of most locked in with, would you say? Um, I'm most locked in with I'd say at this point, and because I and because I go off of like when I say when I think of locked in, I go with like people that know me, can put the reference with the face, and that I've been in the studio with, and that person would be probably Herbo. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Shout out to probably the most the person I'm most locked in with. But it's interesting. I feel like you found a lot of success writing for female artists. That's my favorite. That's still to this day is my favorite. Um my favorite people to work with. Yeah, because I mean what, like Kash Doll, City Girls, Neonza. Yeah, yeah. All of that. Um, I love writing for the girls. Why why do you think that's worked so well? You know what I mean? Ah man, that's that's I don't know if I've ever thought about that. That's why we're here. That's why we're on the one more time podcast. Uh I don't know. It's our job to know these things, Jay.

It's the one more time podcast. We have to know these things. We're it's so great. Uh that was funny, but I'm also just thinking about what we were talking about earlier about uh just like when I was talking about just being friends with women and shit, sort of shit. I don't know. I feel like I have a just a certain connectivity just with I don't know. I don't that feels like Well I was about to say it, but it just sounds it sounded like really pretentious. Misogynistic not even misogynistic, just really pretentious, but I don't know. I connect. I have a certain, I connect with the women. yeah, for real. Like that's what it feels like. Cause it's just like because I do stuff, I do stuff for like I do work with male artists, but it's just like my shit that be hidden, and then even the shit that I get hit the most about is for women. Yeah. And um, I found that interesting. I don't and I I guess when I I know it because I look at you know, I can look at my numbers and see you know what goes the most, but I don't I never ask like why is it the shit that I do with women hit? But it's just like I don't know, man.

Shouts out to the women. Thank you for do you listen to female artists most? Um I wouldn't say most okay okay so it's it's not like something where you're constantly you I'm just trying to like Unpack. why why you're so good at it right it's like do you listen you know what I mean I don't I I don't I don't I couldn't say shit it's DNA bro yeah I don't know I just I one I just like I and it's you know what I part of it I think is writing from a woman's perspective um it's a little more to me like freeing just because there's a lot of constructs when you're rapping as a guy like you know I'm saying it's it's a lot of like you can't say that or you gotta be tough for the moment and we've broken down a lot of shit and there's a lot I would like to think there's a lot more levity and sensitivity in rap and hip hop than there was you know yeah for sure 20 plus years ago but still it's within bounds it's within constructs and shit and I feel like especially because I write as as from you know my perspective as a man when I have to go into that lane it's just like I can just talk crazy fucking shit like you know what I'm saying like I can fucking go it doesn't matter you know what I'm saying like I you can talk about being in love different you can talk about sex different you can talk about just certain shit differently you know what I'm saying like I don't know I don't know now I want to think about it more but that that's that's my uh my hot answer yeah that's no that's a good one. That's fair yeah he wants to be able to write like a wap or you know what I mean yeah I I definitely oh man what man one really that's and that's why, and the thing is that's why one I I love just working with. I don't know.

I feel like you hit you get that one of them ones with women, women, the fan base of women is I don't know, a more I want to say maybe a more rabid fan base. Like if like more devoted, like yeah, possibly even when I, you know, Mike used to talk to me. Mike will used to talk to me about this a lot. Like, man, and B right used to say this a lot too. Um, just like you get the you get the girls, yeah. It's over with. The guys follow. Yeah, like it's over with the girls, yeah, like get the girls, like fuck all that, whatever this yeah, tough shit is all that shit, or even if the tough shit work works, because the girls will for sure love some street shit, but like get the girls, you get the girls, it's over with. Yeah, so that's a gem. Yeah, no, it's that's huge. So obviously, you know, whereas you're maybe not putting out music as consistently, once again, as a fan of yours would hope that you would be. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You still were featured on um, you know, uh fucking revenge of the dreamers project. You were also recently working with uh Nate Curry and Guap Dad Mm-hmm. on that single.

We talked to Bijan Amir, who we were you know, talking about off camera uh for the Revenge of the Dreamers sessions. He painted a pretty crazy picture. He mentioned like running into Akon in the kitchen or something, and Akon just he just like pokes his head out and he goes, This is crazy. Isn't this crazy? And he was like, Yes, Akon, this is pretty crazy. Because it's Akon talking to me. No, but but so he he kind of alluded to like it was like 300 people at one time, potentially like you know, paint us the picture of those sessions from your perspective. You know, what was it like being there? Um, okay, from my perspective, one I wasn't supposed to be there. I love that. I was not invited, like the little invite. You didn't get the golden ticket. No, I did not get the golden ticket. Wow, I did not. Um, and I remember it was, I think, you know, the everyone was probably, I think the first day might have been Thursday, but that was like a a light day. I think that might have just been Dreamville with a few other people. So you definitely weren't supposed to be here. No. No, I know I didn't I didn't go to I didn't go to the that day that Thursday.

Okay, good. And then He's like, hey Dreamville, I'm here. I didn't go to I didn't go that Friday. Like that first initial day I heard was like just bonkers. Like I then I missed that day. But the word got out that that first day was just insane, right? And so uh Molly, who uh just was the manager at Tree Sounds at the time, uh and it's crazy because my manager that night when people were just just talking about the session, he was like, Man, why you ain't just go up there? You know you good. I'm like, man, I'm good. Like they ain't hit me up. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not tripping, I'm still working, I'm still doing my thing, you know what I'm saying? It's a a great opportunity for everyone else that's going. That's fine. but I'm just over here. Yeah, I guess I would but also I don't like going like I'm you know what I'm saying? Oh, I hate being uninvited. Yeah, like uninvited, and I'm just. Everyone at the thing tells you like you should go. Yeah. But you're like. You weren't actually allowed to authorize the invite. So fuck that. I'm not showing you. So I was so that's kind of where I was at.

And I was also just in my little work hole, like working. And then that next day, like Molly called me, and she's like, Jason, what what happened to you last night? Where were you? And I'm like, Molly, like what are you talking about? Like, you need to be here. Like, there's no reason you you weren't there last night. That doesn't make any sense. Like, don't make me call Jeff. I'm like, Molly, Jeff already called me, like it's cool. Like, I'll pull up. Shout out Molly. Coming in hot. You know you're good. Like, you know, none of that shit matters. I don't care if I'm like, all right, for sure. I'm still kind of wary about it, though. I'm still a little weird. And then studio manager invites you, that's pretty good. But yeah, but then it's just like I also, like I said, the invites just being like, it was the politeness in me. Just like my mother would have a fit. Like, so it's just in my head, I'm like, Jason, did you show up to that studio session uninvited? That is not what I taught you. What did your mother teach you? So then another friend of my Childish Major's manager, Deshawn, called me when the sessions were starting. And he was just like, yo, you need to get your ass up here.

And I was just like, fuck it. So I hopped in the whip and I drove up there and it was lit. It wasn't, I don't, I don't remember. I went that Saturday and that Sunday. I don't remember. It was a lot of people. Maybe it was 300 tree sounds is huge. There's like seven or ten rooms there. Yeah, I think, yeah. Because I got There's a lot of rooms. It's a lot of fucking rooms in tree. And then the other thing was like, fuck the rooms. Like folks was cooking up in the rehearsal space. People were cooking up in the kitchen. People were cooking up in the room. That's where Belly Gang Jan was in the rehearsal space, I think. Yeah, he literally put a like table like that just on the stage. Like a fold out beer pong table. And he had one ox cord. Yeah. Yeah. He had one single ox to just be able to record. Yeah. And it's just everyone was. Swiss Beats actually walked by him and said, yo, you need to record, like, up here. Okay, Swiss Beats. It was, it was definitely, I remember the first, I want to say the first night, because I think that was the night that we did Costa Rica. The Milwaukee Bucks were there.

That's that's the guy. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think like George Hill, um, and I think I think Eric Bledsoe, and just like a couple of wow. And I it's so crazy because I did we were working I think I was. It's the other reason I hate telling this story is because it be just because of the nature of it, it becomes like mad name droppy. So it just we understand that. We understand. That's what we're here for. That's what we're asking you. That's why we had you on. We're Giving you permission. We're giving you permission. Um drop them off. But yeah, so I'm I think I'm just working, like I'm just trading bars back and forth with uh Slump Guy, and then I just turn around. Like I just swivel in my chair randomly. I don't even know why. I'm like, is that fucking George? Hill? That's the Milwaukee Bucks. And I think I think because they had just played a game, a playoff game against the Hawks in town. Okay. And Cole is just cool with them. Yeah. And they pulled up. And I was like, that's fucking like, what the fuck? Well, yeah, I feel like Barry's always going to the Bucks games also.

Probably. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. But that was seems so random. Yeah, it is weird, but he's like always courtside at the Bucks. And it's like I think there's, none of them have anything to do with Milwaukee. There's a Dreamville, I don't, I guess Milwaukee roster connect. I don't know. Yeah, that's weird. And it's and it was crazy because they stayed like late. Like they, I'm like, God, Damn. Y'all got practice, man. What is y'all doing? But but we got a playoff game tomorrow. But so I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that this dude doesn't have an invite, and you end up on a song that is arguably one of the better songs. The biggest records on the project. Yeah, it was one of the three singles. I think they did three singles. Yeah, so still walk me through how you know what I mean. Like, how did Costa Rica happen? I mean, bro, his bar is just, you know, did the rest of the work. Nah, it was a lot. It was so much, it was so much like little, just little minor shit that led to that happening. Where in fact, it doesn't happen. But a lot of it was just like, one, I didn't get kicked up. By the time I got in there, I'm like, oh, I know too many people. Like, no one's gonna kick me out.

Like it was it was a safe, it was a safety net bubbles. Like any room I was in, Once he snuck past security. He was good. Yeah, it's like at least four people would be like, nah, Nah. Nah. He good. You know what I'm saying? In any room. So I'm like, Yo, were people getting kicked out though? No. No. No. Because everyone there was invited. But then it was. It's crazy because I don't know if everyone there was invited. Because I feel like Because you were. You got in. Yeah, no, but I feel like after that first day, it was a little more lax. Like especially with the producers, I think if they knew, like, you know how producers they produce and then they have like young homies that like they do melodies with or whatever. Right. I think after that first day they were like, yo, yo, just come with me tomorrow. And Molly made some more phone calls. Why the fuck aren't you here with your keyboard? But I'm calling me. I think that's what it was. I think it would just it it got it ballooned a little more that next day because people were like, people realized that you could be like, oh no, they're with me. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, yeah. And like, this is who I cook up with. Um, so yeah, I probably wasn't the only person that wasn't supposed to be there. I I think maybe I think the only time people were asked to leave was like because of numbers.

Yeah, it wasn't that no one was kicked out, like, do you like someone wasn't walking around like where's your where's your invite? This is where's your golden ticket? Yeah, like no one was doing Scan your QR code. It wasn't and maybe it was, but I didn't see any of that. It was all love. Cole was wandering around the entire time, was saying what's up to everybody. You could just stop him if you wanted to. He was popping in the rooms if he heard some shit, whether it would be, get on and be like, oh yeah, lay that, like JID was in a roster room, just cooking up that whole night. Um but yeah, so Costa Rica specifically, like, you know. Oh, yeah, yeah, I forgot. So Costa Rica, so I I think I'm in the I mean, oh yeah, so I'm in the back room with T-Minus, just coming up with her. Shout out T minus. Shout out to T-Minus, man. Shout out my boy, that's my guy. Um, and Deshawn comes to the back and he says, one, I wasn't not that I wasn't supposed to be back there with T minus, but I just wandered back there and T was just like, oh shit, what's good, bro? I'm like, I didn't even know you were here.

We start chopping around. Of course, T-Minus is. So I wouldn't, so I only was just going back there because I was wandering around. So if I hadn't wandered around, if T minus hadn't been in the back room, I wouldn't have stuck there. I don't know if Deshaun would have found me in time before. That's why I said it's like little like sliding doors moments that happen. It's like a series of fortunate events. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so Deshaun just like, yo, Jace, something's happening in the A room. You need to get in there. And I'm like, all right, bro. I'm like, and in my head, I'm like, whatever's happening in the A room, like, I'm back here with T minus, like cooking up. I think I'm good. It better be cooler than that. I think there's stuff happening everywhere. But he's like, no, I'm telling you. And then he just leaves. So. Yeah. That's legendary. I'm like, bet. And I think somehow, I think T minus had a phone call. I think his food came. Something happened was a break in him making the beat. And like, I'm just already so itching and raring to go. I'm like, all right, bet. I'll fuck around. Like, because literally, it's shit happening everywhere. Like, it's it's weird. Me and T-Minus in a room, and it's a kid that just, I think he just took like a collapsible fold out table, like where you would just eat dinner on and just set it up in this nook where all this other equipment was with like just two little plug-in, I'm

not KRKs, but like just two little speakers, and we're just cooking right there. Like everyone was just going crazy. So I'm like, I'll bounce around, like I might hear some shit. So I bounce. and then I bounce around. I see Jid JID and uh Jid and Buddy are working on one of the Zoinks, uh Zoink Gang songs. So they're They're in there doing that. And I'm like, all right, this is probably already sewn up. And I'm like, okay. Deshawn told me go into the A room. Better listen to Deshawn. Let me go in. And I go into the A room and guap is just doing this hook. And Pyrex made the music for my first time in Pyrex. Whippa. And um it's interesting because it was it's really Deshawn's forethought, because there's not a lot of people in there. I think it's just Guap. Oh wow. Yeah, I think it's Pyrex, Guap, uh, Boz, uh maybe Hollywood Cole was in there. They got invited.

Um, yeah, the the people that were invited were in the A room. But it's not a lot of people in there. It's uh so I go in there, guap's doing the hook. Yeah. I haven't heard the beat. Have not heard the beat yet. I'm just in there, right? So I'm chilling. They had Jameson by the case, and I'm poured up some J-mo. Damn, we're not on that level yet. We got that. And not really paying attention. I guess Guap gets up, and then the engineer just plays it. And I I know the engineer's name, I can't remember his name right now. I know I see him all the time. And I was like, oh shit. Like, every and the thing is like, Boz, everyone was like, oh, this is crazy. Like, instant, like the whole room, like was just like boom. And then man, Boz was like, he, I think Boz had a verse ready. I think that's why he's the first verse. And then from there, I think word just like spread like wildfire through Tree Sounds. like, oh no, it's some shit going on in the A room. Like, it's the shit going on in the A room. Yo, so your time got got very valuable. Oh, yeah, yeah, you know.

I was so glad I was in there so early because then I turned around again, and like every every rapper that was there was now in the A room. So was it like a line of like kind of like but so the mic. The mic is seated like this on on the council. That's where Guap was doing it. Guap did it in the in the chair. And then Boz did his verse. Oh, Reese Reese is in it. Reese was in there originally too. Reese was uh he didn't come in. Reese is in there. Shout out Reese. and Reese, of course, with his ear was like, oh yeah, bet. I'm getting on this shit. And I think after Boz and Reese, that's when it wasn't a line, like, we're just like a semicircle kind of. But you like boxed everyone out. Like you made so much. You held your ground. So I did, I did, and I think I got on there like fourth or fifth. But what's so interesting, because I think Eve came in there at this time and shit, it's just like at this point, so I kind of got nervous because I I got in there like fourth or fifth, and I'm like, bet, I made like this can be one of the verses. You know what I'm saying?

And the way it had kind of been working in other rooms, is like once it's like three or two or three verse spots filled in a hook, like that song's kind of over. You know what I'm saying? Like they like stop. Not stop, like you don't stop, but just like the natural progression of it, like needs to be like, oh, lock that in. Like, of course, if someone came in, it's like, oh, let me try some shit. No one was like, no, we already have two or three verses. Okay. But that's just the engineer's not copying the beat over anymore, like naturally. Not even that. It would just be like, oh shit, this is this idea is here. Now, if someone heard the idea later, or if someone came in and be like, dang shit, let me let me try some shit at least. Of course, no, no one was being kept off songs, but it was definitely kind of just like, even like I said, when I walked in on Buddy and Jid doing that song, I'm like, oh, this song is done. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Now, of course, I feel like if I've been like, yo, Jid, let me throw something on this, like, he wasn't gonna be like, nah, this is finished. But again, because so much was going on with artists, I think that was just kind of the de facto thing. There was great energy going on in this. No, I mean it's like it's fucking, it was fucking amazing. So this little my verse is done.

I done put my verse on there. It was, oh, you snapped. And I'm thinking, like, okay, everyone else in this little semicircle is gonna realize, like, oh well, this is all the verses wrong. Completely wrong. Everyone put a verse. It's the original cut of that song, which I think I have somewhere in my email. How many has like 12 verses. Oh my god. Swear to God. Ib says it. Ib says it in a little doc. He said the he's sitting on a couch and he's talking about it. He was like, oh yeah, no, everyone can put a verse, but at the end of the day, like I'm not having a song that has seven verses on it. Even though I think the song that's out does have seven verses. But that's what he said. So even that, it would just like in my head, I'm like, man, so many people put a verse on this song. In my head, I'm like, not even that my verse wasn't hard, and then it's just a dub, like Ib or whoever's in charge, even Cole is just gonna look all right. We gotta make this a little more insular. So they pick and choose, or did they just go with the first people that got on it? I don't know.

I don't know. They didn't go with the first people that got on it. They didn't go because it's people that weren't on it originally. Um but like because Jid wasn't on the first one, like the first one. So it was just like, but in my head, that's what I'm thinking they're gonna do. It's just like they're gonna take these other people off and put, you know, Jid here and Lute here, and keep Guap on the hook, which made sense to me. So I'm but the the other thing is the song is amazing. Like now everyone's just in the A room, like it's turned into a fucking dysfunction at this point. Like it's crazy. Me and Guap are standing on speakers, niggas know the hook by heart. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And everyone's like listening to whoever's verse comes on next, but everyone's just waiting for the hook to come back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, and in my head, like I'm like, man, this was a really fun experience. You know what I'm saying? I'm glad I got to connect with it. And like I said, I went back the next day, and I I think I laid a couple more verses. Like me and Key went back the next day. But in my head, I'm like, that was a cool experience. I got to, I made a lot of connections. Uh, you know, and just got to see a lot of the homies too. I got to see Tate work, which was amazing, and we kind of just furthered our connection just being there.

But in my head, I was just like, you're not on that song. Like, not even that my, like I said, not even from a talent standpoint, but I'm like, it just logistically just song doesn't make sense. industry wise, yeah. Just industry wise, like, I'm not on that fucking song. Yeah, wow. It's good. And uh I ended up on the song. Like, I knew they said they were narrowing it down. Yeah, and I I want to say, and I can't remember, I would because I remember I was just excited. But somebody like they were cutting verses, and I think I want to say it was Bas or G, but maybe it wasn't. Whoever it was at Dreamville, I'm I'm sorry, but someone said, like, nah, Jace verse need to stay, if I'm not mistaken. And they played it in sequence, and I was like, Yeah, yeah, Jace verse should stay. And so that's how I ended up on there. Shout out to whoever, yeah, whichever one. I wonder, I think it was Bas or G. I don't know, I don't know. If whoever it was Thank you. Yeah. So something that honestly I was talking with Faiyaz about that I found you know really interesting, and I want to get your perspective on it. Is you know, everyone thinks that, at least from the outside looking in, that if you're in music and you are an artist in some way, shape, or form, that your ultimate goal is to become this superstar artist that travels the world, has this insane lifestyle, you know, what have you, right? That that your dream should be to make it to this Drake status, this yay status, whatever, right?

What some people don't think about is what the fuck that comes with, right? That comes with stress, that comes with literally missing your family and friends, leaving your home, not having like time to yourself, like always being in the limelight, right? For someone like you, I'm gonna be honest, not to toot your own, or not to toot your horn, but like you're one of the best rappers in the city, hands down. I mean, that's that's facts. That's no words, not mine. Yeah, No. for sure. And I'm and I'll stand behind those. But from what we see, right? With you not leaning into your artistry much over the last few years, at least, since the you know, two nine shit kind of fizzled, is there some of it because of you're just not wanting that for yourself? Or is it other things going on? Like kind of what's going on, you know, because it was just interesting talking to Faiyaz about it. Some of it, and I and this I I know that that could probably came up with Faiyaz because we talked about it. Um I don't want to say some of it is not not that it's not wanting it for myself, uh, because I do I want it, but uh one, especially not for those reasons like the thing you said, like I'm not even on Drake level and I be fucking stressed out. Yeah you know what I'm saying?

And I'm already a pretty, you know, just a private person and a chill person in general. So and because I've been around people who have been even you know further up on that status pole than me, whether it be Shrem or Mike, like I know for real, like the stress and the shit that come with this shit, you know what I'm saying? So I don't want to say that I don't want it for myself. It's more so that I'm more concerned just with like working, and if that's what comes out of my work, then cool, and I'll take that in shot. And if it doesn't, it doesn't. My main thing was that I wanted to be able to make be creative and make music to sustain myself, or just create to sustain myself. And so that's that's what I wanted most, and that's what I have now. The other stuff would just be the extras. And I I you know I'm always working towards goals and and wanting certain things, but most of that's musically, more so than like goal-oriented. I guess my only other goal at this point in music is to get a Grammy.

But other than that, to me, I've I you know, I went uh I've been out of the country and stuff, but I've been all over this country. Like I did that off music. Like I've been everywhere, I've been in rooms that you could only imagine, just off music. So it's just like the wants that I wanted for myself personally, I've been got. I've been I got them five, six years ago doing this shit off music. I went all around the country with my closest friends, man. I performed in front of 60,000 people. I've been flown out because of my music, because of my art, because of of my taste level and what I do. So it's just like the other stuff is just like that's the extras. If that comes, and that's I think that's the caliber of work that I can produce and put out, but if it doesn't, for sure. And I know I feel like Fonny always when it's like, man, like you said, it's just like, oh man, this guy's the goat, man. Like he should want this and be here. And you know, there's an argument for that. And even personally, I'll be like, I see that that's uh something that I'm capable of.

I think I definitely had the talent level for that. But whether that occurs and it gets to that point, it's not It's not a deal breaker. Yeah, it's not. There we go. Yeah, it's not a deal breaker for me. Yeah, and I mean, I don't want to, you know, obviously get all up in your business too much, but I am curious, like achieving that status as an artist though, the consistency has to be more than where you're at right now, as far as like dropping music and releasing music as an artist. So, like, why are you not releasing music? Like, I'm just Oh. Why not? yeah, he selfishly just wants more Jace. No. I mean, right. That's really like, yeah, but you're not gonna be able to do it. You're not he's a you're not answering my fucking question. But that was cool. That was cool. Yeah, I get it. Go ahead. Very nuanced answer, Jace. Where's the tunes though? Nice media training. Wow, yeah. Oh, yeah. This guy knows how to talk. Where's the music? Shout out your PR. What the fuck is wrong with this guy? Yeah. Um seriously, where's the music? A lot of it is just like I want to, with the music, I want to have the uh space and the ability to devote just to that. Yeah.

And like I said, you know, the past three years, like I've been, like I dropped three years ago. I dropped free uh free Jace three years ago. Okay, yeah. And then from there, like I've kind of the writing, not because of that, but that was dropped at a time where I was my pub deal in certain situations were still kind of happening. And then since then, my biggest focus has just been writing. And I when I drop, I want to be able to like even I don't even want to be in a writing space when I drop. Like I want to be able all my posts, I don't want to be like, oh yeah, this song that I worked on, like, no, everything needs to be Focused on that. just Jace. Like this needs, whether it's the videos coming out or me, even me being able to do the press about something. I don't want to be like, oh man, Man. but I gotta go to LA, I gotta work on this shit with first. Like, no. It needs to be the Jace show. And where I'm just at career-wise, it's just I'm still in my pub deal. I'm still working my shit. So that's kind of just where I've been at with it.

That's but I'm always working, and that's why I'll drop like the little freestyles and shit and shit that I have. Yeah. Cause I do want, you know, people like you to know that I am still making music. But for the most part, like I said, since Free Jace, I've just been writing for people. Like it hasn't really been a space where I can. I don't know, even the the last time I had like just a complete Jace session. Like I think maybe I did uh a month ago or two months ago because Ducko was like, yo, you just need to have a Jace writing session, and I did, and he yielded some tight shit. But like prior to him even telling it saying that to me, I've just been on shit, like on other people's shit working on it. So I don't know if that's the answer you want to hear. but that's real. that's the answer. Yeah, and and I mean, obviously, I I I think that when the time's right for yourself, you know, when you feel that you want to focus your efforts on that, you know, it it is understandable that you do want to kind of be all in on it versus kind of one foot in, one foot out, and you know, one foot in the other. It's not really worth it.

If you're going to half ass it. Yeah. And it's just like I don't not even at that, like, even with the part of it, even just from the creative standpoint, It's just like having enough where I can just hoard all the creative shit for myself. Like, I'm I don't, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm giving, I'm giving a lot of my creative just little pieces of me away. Does that get confusing? Like, you've been writing for the people for so long, and then it's like, wait, what do I want to say? You know, no, just because I wrote for myself for so much longer. I've been writing for myself since I was like 13. Okay. That's a good question. I will say that sometimes I like if I've been writing for like drill artists too much for too long, I'm like, oh, hold on, hold on, Dial it back. What are you talking all this gangster shit for? Man, chill out, man. You're not living like that. Calm down, my boy. He been writing for shooters too long, my dude. Yeah, but um, other than that, nah, it's never that's never been too much for me. Is it at least not for a writing perspective? It's sometimes it'll get difficult if I listen to someone too much.

But writing for someone, I never get that never it's usually pretty easy to bounce back and forth. No, it's interesting. I mean, I I think that there's a lot of parallels that I see at least between like your story and like Cyhi the Prince, who has been okay. Shout out to Cyhi. Yeah, he's some major. You know, Cyhi, his story's incredible. And you know, he's written for you know some of the greatest in the game. Um, but you know, him talking about big pen game. Him talking about god damn it. Him him talking about how he you know really needs to like be around the person and like immerse themselves in like their life and like what what it is they do on a regular basis. To your point It's like a method actor, yeah. Like, I mean working with drill artists, like you probably do embody this like you keep a nine on the table when you write for when you write for drill artists. Um no one the more interesting about the more interesting thing to me about Cyhi saying that is that a lot of my um because one uh for the most part I do hooks, like I don't really uh write people's verses. So I would want to clarify that because I don't never want to, you know, uh put a blemish on anyone's artistry.

I do hooks writing hooks for people is something that's been going on in music, period. Um so that's usually what I'm doing. And if I'm when I'm like with the with that shit, it's it's I'm not gonna lie, I lost the question. What are we saying? It's probably more so important to do that. Oh no, no, no, no, I got it. I got it. Saha, no, we were talking about Saha. That's why because I was, I was trying, I was trying to tie it into it. When the weed hits. I was like, nah, no, it wasn't a weed. I'll be thinking too fast. I'll be thinking too fast. No, so when Saha said um, like being with the person and being around the person, like so with the hook stuff, like a lot of the times it's just like an A&R hits. being like, yo, we need we need hooks. You know, Jace is good with the hooks, we need some fucking hooks, yeah, for so-and-so, whoever, right? And I'm like, what the fuck? What the fuck am I supposed to do with that? Like, I have never chilled with this artist. Yeah, I don't know like what type of weed they like. Like, I don't know what brands they wear or don't fucking wear.

And so it's just like I have definitely gotten stuff. I've gotten stuff placed where I've just sent stuff in. But dude, all the stuff that like any writing shit that's been like to me successful, it's been like when I hang out with the artist. Like I hang out like Naomza, shout out Naomza. That's my dog. I know her. Like I we don't, not even outside of just the studio, even though the relationship can be just in studio. Like I hang out with her. I know what she's down to say. I know where she's down to take it. I know where she's not. So writing for her, like and with her, I know we could gonna come up with some shit. Cause she knows that I know her well, and I know that she knows me well. Like writing for a random person, they're trying to, you're just cold calling me, asking me to essentially weave a thread into someone's creative tapestry. And I don't even fucking know if they eat McDonald's, bro. Like, I don't know how ratchet they'll take this shit. And it's just like, so that was kind of off topic with what you were saying.

The Saha thing was just like, I feel like most of us writers feel that way. Like it's just like, bro, putting us in this writing camp with five of us, and we're supposed to fucking write this song for so and so, and none of us have, we're fans of this artist, and we listen to this artist, but we don't know this person. Yeah, it's so different. and it's so writing for people is such a I think a nuance and type of intimate thing, where it's just like you're doing a disservice to the writers, you're doing a disservice to the artist, you're doing a disservice to the art. And by not being in there and and creating it, even if you are just even if because some artists do you know have verse writers and stuff, even if you are doing that, like be in there, like say, like, oh no, I would never say that. You know what I'm saying? Like, that means a lot. You know what I'm saying? Especially like I've been in, you know, writing camps with kids that come all the way from fucking Arkansas or some shit, and this is their first, you know, invite to a camp. Invite the come through, even if it's just for one day, be like, yo, what's up?

I'm so and so I appreciate you guys coming out. Um, this is kind of where we're at in the album. Play some of the album. Like, let them know. It's like, I'm not gonna lie, I know a lot of my early stuff was like kind of druggy. I'm kind of moving away from that. I'm having a kid. Like, bring that type of shit up, man. That shit helps, and it's personal instead of you end up at the end of the week with 80 hooks, and they're cool, but like the artist doesn't fucking like them because they don't resonate with the artist as a person. So that's it. Just crazy to hear another writer who I a writer who I respect also echo a statement that I've been saying to myself and my management for the past three years. Like, bro, if the artist, and I'll go, I'll go to anything because I I love I love working, I love what I do. But I'll be like, man, is the artist gonna be there? Because otherwise, what's the point? And my boy first is the same way, like shout out first. Um, he'll be like, bro, I'm not pulling up to like no beat camp, bro. And I and I I remember when he first told me that I was like, bro, this motherfucker, Hollywood, plaque having motherfucker. You would say that.

Um, and that was around like the start of when I was really like diving in and writing this shit. And I I thought it was such a I thought he was just being a dickhead. But now that's you, but now it's just like, oh yeah, I get it. Like it's just like I don't know what vibe this person's on. Like, I need to, I need them. It's. you know, it's a very kind of it, like I said, an intimate thing, you know what I'm saying? Like, you need that person right there, you know, with you. Just like, oh no, I don't, I don't, I'm I'm not fucking with keys right now. You got you say, oh yeah, I can fuck with some sax. You know what I'm saying, instead of just like, oh yeah, uh, we need these for Roddy Rich. He needs up tempo. Um, so it's just like, I don't fucking know, bro. Like, is he gonna be there? Because if he's gonna be there, we can knock some shit out, bro. It'll be crazy. If not, I'm just shooting in the dark. And again, a lot of these writers are so talented, like something will hit. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, I've had shit hit just shooting in the dark, but it's never on par with the other shit that people know me for. Like it's never never been.

So I was like, that was cool. I got me got me a placement, give me my points or whatever I got going on and move on. But the shit with motherfuckers is like, oh yeah, I've been in there with anything where people's like, oh yeah, that was crazy. I've been right there. Yeah. Well, he mentioned shots in the dark. He's gonna have to take some shots in the dark here in this final segment of the podcast. Henry, where we at? Uh uh. What's going on? Where are we at? You're about to find out, big dog. Alright. Let me see it. Jace, we are at the rapid fire rampage. Sounds intense. It is. It's essentially been brought up that if this is essentially the game show portion of the uh podcast, final segment. It's gonna be a three-part rampage. Okay. I'm gonna hit you with some short answer questions. Gotcha. I'm gonna hit you with some of this or that. You're gonna pick one. Real easy, spicy. I know those. And then I'm gonna hit you with some word associations. I'm gonna give you one word, you just give me the first thought right off the top of your head. That sounds dangerous. It is. Okay, let's do it. It is. Hope you but you it sounds like your PR already, you know, prepped prepped you for this pretty well. So we're not worried.

We're not that worried. So yeah, if you're ready. I am ready to go. Let's do it. Episode 44 with Chase Rapid Fire Rampage. Here we go. Rampage. starting with a short answer. Knock, knock. Who's in? The Rapid Fire Rampage. Bro, come on. You're off to a great start. Okay, now actually we're starting. Okay. Chase. What's up? Netflix approaches you to make a movie about the life of Chase. Who plays you and who plays the female lead? Who plays me and who plays the female lead? Well, I don't know if there's anyone young enough and talented enough and my height to play me. So I would have to say. Kevin Hart. No, because he's too old. He's too old. So me. I would play me.

Acceptable. In my biopic. And I mean the female lead, I mean, would just be whoever I want to kiss this in Hollywood, right? Who is that? We have to know these things, Chase. It's part of the answer. Oh man. I could uh shoot your shot right here. This is a chance. I feel like she's gonna clip this, whatever it is. She's already. I think whoever I'm thinking of is the two people women that I'm thinking of are already spoken for. Wiped up, yeah. Um Zazie Beats. Um super I don't know if she is. Um she's she played Domino in Deadpool 2. Yeah, and she's also um on Atlanta, if I'm not mistaken. Oh, wow. It's the the it's Donald Glover's girlfriend. Yep. Yep. And then More Stone mountain. So many Stone Mountain references. Oh, yeah. Real East Side shit going on. We out here. And um, I can't I think her name is Kiersey Clemons. She played uh the Flash's Love Interest in the Snyder cut of Justice League.

She was also in on a guest spot on New Girl, and she's also been in. I think she was in uh neighbors 2 Sorority Rising. I think that was her start. Wow. She's a Very cute girl. Good answer. Some interesting female lead choices that I was not expecting. I think I fucked up her name too. Oh, that's fine. Well, uh not to her, it's not. she'll forgive you. She'll forgive you. Chase, you wake up as a fish. What is the first thing you do? Swim that shit out, man. Swim that shit out. Let's swim it out, man. Chase, you wake up as God. What is the first thing that you do? I wake up as God. The first thing I do. Some real Bruce Almighty shit right here. Answer prayers. You try to fix the world. No, okay. You don't don't do that. Get a lady in here. Because now my first my first thing is gonna seem fucked up. I'm trying to leave.

it in the way. but I'm God, so this is this is just stuff that I can just snap my fingers and do. First thing. You're just testing it. I wake up so I I'm just testing it. Yeah, you can do it quickly. And I wake and I wake up as God, I'm like, oh, let me test this shit. What you got going on? Yeah. I'm just getting rid of like all the shit I don't like. Not even shit that I don't like like that, but like peas, pickles, all of this, all the shit that sucks that sucks to me. Yeah, that's very uh like low level It's getting the fuck out of here. I love it. Wow It's getting the fuck out of here. Like just all the shit that I don't like. Just yeah, creating a more Jace friendly world. But again, that's just the test. Then once I see that there's no more. peas. I'll start doing good later. Like I would order Chinese fried rice, and if it just came with just the carrots and the other little shit, And no beef. I'd be like, it worked. Okay. Now let's cure. Let's solve world hunger. That's incredible, man. That's incredible. I love it. Jace, what are three ways to use a stapler besides stapling? Why'd you change your voice? This is how I get for the rapid fire. Okay. I just wanted to know. It's an intense segment.

a weapon, um, a de facto paperweight, and um, like a little skinny Pac-Man. Love it. Incredible. Just like a puppet. Click, click, click, click, click. Yeah. The name Jace turns out to be copyrighted. What do you change your name to? Um, tape. Oh. Tape? Tape? That's quick. Yeah. Tape. That's his like nickname. Little tape. Lil' tape. You're gonna put the little in front of it? Um, depends on what age I am. Okay. Chase, you have to delete three states. What are they? Okay, let's get fucking. Let's just get North and South Dakota out of there No one fucks with the Dakotas, I would keep one. Nah. No Dakotas. All right. Let's see. Have you ever thought about going to either Mount Rushmore? I want to get it's somewhere, it's somewhere in it's like I want to get no dis I want to get rid of I want to get rid of Maine.

Oh, okay. Like what the lobster? People literally forget that all the lobster comes from Maine. Yeah. So. There's other places. Boston and I feel like Rhode Island. It's all for Maine. It's all for Maine. bro. It's all for Maine, bro. You just deleted all lobster. No more lobster for Jace. Moving on, Henry. All right, that's fucked up, but I guess I think I maybe. The thing is, I also do like Maine as a state, but it's just like, what are you doing all the way up there? What's Alaska doing over there. You could have chose Alaska. Nah, Alaska is like a frontier. Give them back to Canada like that. Just give them to Canada. It's important for our military, apparently. Okay, this one's very important, Chase. Is a hot dog a sandwich? No. Stop asking that fucking stupid ass question. That and the is Die Hard a Christmas movie are my two least favorite internet questions. Okay. Uh noted. If you were in the music industry, not as an artist or songwriter, what would you be doing? Um, it's just probably A and R.

Like A and R. Connecting the dots. Yeah, just piecing it together. Chase, what pisses you off? Oh besides P's. Keep this short, because I can already tell. Oh It's got a laundry list. it's real easy. No, I don't. It's it's a real one of the biggest things that pisses me off is people who don't use their turn signals. It's a courtesy to the other drivers, it's a safety thing. Let people know what you're doing. We're not in your car, we don't know what you're thinking. Um Atlanta's very bad. And Atlanta is terrible with it. I use my turn signal religiously. I do it even just as a force of habit when it's late night. No one's on the road, man. It could save a life. Communicate with your fellow drivers on the road, man. Wow. That sounded like a PSA or something like that. That was great. We're gonna, I mean, chop that up as a clip for sure. That's a clip right there. Yep, Chase. How many lighters would fit in a limo? 16,000.

Okay. Sure. No, I think that's probably why not. I think that's that's a pretty good answer. Yeah. On a scale of one. We were talking about hold on, we were talking about like a regular limo, not a stretch limo, right? Regular bic lighter in a regular limo. Okay, yeah, 16,000. Yeah, that's good. I was thinking stretch, I think 16,000. It's more if it's Stretch. You gotta specify. It's your fault. It's too late now. Yep. On a scale of one to 10, how weird do you think you are? Weird as shit. I'm Like 15. Part one of the rampage. Part one. It's doing well. It was good. Shit. You uh some of the answers were long, but they were quick. Which I don't I try not to deduct for that. I deduct for the longer you have to think about it. Also, but if you if you're in if you're you know into an answer and you did it quickly, I don't deduct for that. So I'd say slightly above average first part. Yeah, yeah. Really, really good. Uh cheers to the second part of the rampage. And um, Evan Williams, I like your small batch a lot. If you ever want to sponsor the podcast, we are cheers. Our emails are open.

This is the this or that. All right. Give You have two choices. First one that pops out to you, part two of the rampage with Jace, episode 44. Rampage! Archer. I'll just I just put it together. Yeah, first one. This is why we fuck with Jace. Oh my God. Thank you. This is why we fuck with you, Jace. Archer's so good. Come on. You're a smart guy. Flow or lyrics? Flow. Told you. I told you if I switched them. myth has been busted. Busted. We've asked this question a lot. It is hands down, been flow. Unanimous. But we asked it in lyrics or flow before, and people were like, it's just the way you asked it. It's the order of the fucking whatever. And then you just completely proved everyone wrong. Obviously, it's flow. It's flow. Thank you. Moving on. Bass guitar or drum set? Bass. Writing or freestyling? Freestyle. Stacks or ad libs? Ad libs. You know I hate stacks. I did.

I don't I learned that. Hooks or verses? Give it it's crazy. Just giving my life, but verses. That is. That's why I have to do that. He doesn't mean it, all of you artists out there that are. looking for hooks. No, the ducker will be like, this guy just is obsessed with his verses. man. career suicide over here. Answering verses. Oh man. Okay, moving on. Home studio or commercial studio? Home. Taco Bell or McDonald's. McDonald's. Salsa or guac? Guac. Lemon pepper or hot? Lemon pepper. Babies dressed as penguins or penguins dressed as senior citizens. Babies dressed as penguins. It's adorable. It's adorable. Penguins dressed as senior citizens would be adorable. Anyway. Cali or New York? New York. House party or the club? House party. Always. Loud neighbors or nosy neighbors. Nosy, because I don't be on shit. Okay.

That's what I said, man. I was like, I ain't got nothing to hide. I just want my peace and quiet. Yeah. I don't want to be a good one. I can take the noise. If you're no nosy, you're gonna be so bored. Nothing's going on over here. I smoke weed. Oh my, I'm smoking weed watching cheaters reruns, bro. It's like you're gonna be at my window, like, god damn, this guy sucks. You're gonna be nosy. It's been 24 hours. You're gonna be nosy. Nothing's happening. You're gonna be nosy for three days before you're like, man, this stinks. They're gonna give up. Yeah, For sure. This one we might have a clue on, but I'd like I still want to see the answer here. Black and white clothes or colors? Black and white. Tattoos or piercings? Tattoos. Xbox or PlayStation? PlayStation. Coke or Sprite? Sprite. Give up smartphones for life, or give up salt for life. Salt. Wait, that's so stupid. Smartphones. Everything that's on smartphones. I mean, there's other seasonings, though, but salt, salt is the one, though. That's the one.

That's the chosen. Salt. Salt is the 800-pound gorilla of seasonings. That's for sure. That's the seasoning. Stiff competition. Jace, a 75% chance of your next project going platinum. Or a 25% chance of your next project going diamond. 25%. He said risk it for the biscuit. Part two of the rampage. Part two. That was great. It was good. I'm gonna have a tough time editing it going back and forth because you guys are going so fast. It was like a fucking tennis match. He knew before like I even reverses. A lot of interestingly enough, some of this is some stuff that just you just think of, like in life. Like I'll I'll I'll be You've already decided. You thought of babies dressed as penguins. Okay. And senior citizens dressed as penguins. cute options.

And then you put something on them, and I said, Oh yeah, easy. I know the level of cuteness of both of these things. Yeah. And I know what would be cuter. Wow. His brain was working very fast now. That's in mind. It's mathematical. Yeah. Okay. That's good. Last part of the rampage, just wrap it up. We'll see if he can keep his pace going with the word association. I'm gonna throw one word at you. First thing off the top of your head, are you pre- Are you ready? I am. I'm almost ready. Hang on. That's not for the host. That music's not for the host. I've never used it for myself before. Alex Trebek didn't do that when he needed a moment. Felt happy on it. Part three of the rampage. Word association with Jace. Episode 44. Microphone. Filter. Culture. Migos. It's fair. I would probably say the same thing. That's some Atlanta shit, bro. I'd Say the same thing. God bless. Midnight. Doctor Who?

Dealer. Dirty. Lawyer. Dirty. I heard that in my head too. I was like, oh man. Didn't like expect that to go that way, but it totally makes sense. Stress. Relief. Champagne. Bubbles. Zombie. Apocalypse. Gump. Truck. Triangle. Offense. Ooh. It's a good one. Stadium. Mercedes Benz. Volcano. Dennis Quaid. It shouldn't be Dennis Quaid. It should actually be. It should actually be. Wait. It should actually be Pierce Brosnan. But Dennis Quaid popped up in my head. They're both white guys with brown hair, so we'll give it to you. You know what's even worse? Is that a James Bond movie? No, no, no. Because Pierce Brosnan's Brosnan was in Dante's Peak. Oh.

And that's, and you said volcano. So you just, your brain completely got twisted up in there. Did it? Volcano? Volcano. Dante's peak, Pierce Brosnan. It's just one thing. But you went to Dennis Quaid. Oh, I did. Oh, I didn't. You skipped a step. I did. White guys all white guys all look alike. That's what I'm saying. We do. We do. Let's just say that. That's what I was saying. That's what I was in. It was racially charged. I can't believe that. That's what we thought. And we wanted you to say it. And now we have the video of it. So was our Kevin Hart roast. We're both caught in 4K. As long as it's uh uh equal, as long as it's reciprocal, I don't know. You evened the score officially, yes. But we on the footage. I'm glad I evened the score before the episode was over. Bro, you have like Two minutes, yeah, exactly. Lil Phil Lil Phil? No, Lil and Phil. Oh, regrets? Dude, we love this guy. This guy is great. NASCAR race, surgery. No.

Bitcoin. Does that count? Yeah. That's an acceptable answer. History. Fuck it. Rents. Gas. Family. Matters. Cookie. Dough. Two. None. Woo! To the grave. Yo. Forever. It's been an amazing episode. Henry, what do you think about part three? How did he do? Very good part three. I think he's up there on the elite tier of uh Rampagers. I'm not gonna lie. So congratulations for that. You may have entered the uh Rapid Fire Rampage Hall of Fame, Jace with that. We're still developing. My jersey's gonna be in the Raptors. Well, yeah, we're gonna hang you up next to the auto tune shirts. Uh by the way, make sure to sport that for us. Oh, I'm definitely gonna. Yeah, I was wondering where mine was at when he first had his on. It was it was an early or early prototype, and I was like it is in your car as we speak. We have we have hooked you up officially now. Yep,

that is gonna be the go forward one more time podcast uh guest gift. So that's the best we can do right now until we figure something else out. And then we're gonna do the Hall of fame. And free Evan Williams. And I was about to say, I was about to say there was more to it. I got more. I got more out of it than just a just a lousy t shirt. No, lousy. He doesn't mean it, folks. In all seriousness, this has been this has been an amazing episode, man. We really really appreciate you coming on. For real. Super dope artist, super dope songwriter. And great stories. too. Your stories are incredible. I appreciate it, man. You have a great song. But now the fact that you came up here and you know, blessed us with your stories and and uh you know gave us the opportunity to help you tell the people kind of what you've been through and and you know where your experiences are. That's it's it's really really appreciated, man. No, for sure. I appreciate you guys, man. I'll come back anytime, man. Anytime. That's love. That's love. We're you know, we're almost at a year here in a couple months. So I love, hey man, salute the consistency, man. That's that's amazing, man. And we might have something new in store. Oh for uh I think once we get to 52, I think that's when we introduce something a little new and shake it up.

So that's when we can have you back, you know. what I mean? Hey, man. I think Jace would be perfect for that segment, dude. it'd be great for any segment. Yeah, for sure. I appreciate it, man. like I said, just give me the call. I'm here. Yeah, no, we appreciate it, man. And Henry, until next week, what are we doing? Getting the fuck out of here. We're getting out of here. Peace. Yeah.