Signing Riz La Vie to Danny Wolf's Record Label ft. Jack Mumford

Being the liaison between the label or if it's the manager or if it's the artist, you know, just being that middle ground and also just respecting what's going on on all sides. It's music, it's creative, it's art, you know, but it's also turned into a business that makes a lot of people a lot of money. The one more time music podcast, genuine conversations with genuine people about music, hosted by Henry with a three and playback Ben. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back for another episode of the One More Time Podcast. This is like sixteen weeks in. Are Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back for another episode of the One More Time Podcast. This is like 16 weeks in. Are you guys sick of us yet? Jeez, I'm kind of sick of hearing myself talk, but I'm sick of you. Thank you. I'm I've always been sick of you since the day we met. So, another episode, another week. Henry, who do we have on the podcast today? Today on the One More Time Podcast, welcoming in YouTuber turned boxer Logan Paul. Logan Logan, thank you for coming out.

Damn. That one. You know, we we try our best to do uh celebrity lookalikes. I look like Logan Paul. Apparently, according to Henry, you do. That's the best I had this week. I was I was undecided when he told me what he was gonna use for for today's intro. You know what? I haven't heard that one ever. Who would you say you do look like? Bruh, who who with the long red hair, who do you think I always get? Oh, clearly clearly we didn't know because damn. Y'all the first one, Sean White. Everybody calls you Sean White. Wow. we missed an opportunity. Yeah, well, the old Sean White. Yeah. Okay. The old Sean White. Okay. I don't know. who else. Or Carrot Top. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That would have been way funnier now. My mom lives in South Carolina. She likes to call me that quarterback Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, yeah. Sunshine. Wow, these are all better than Logan Paul. Yeah. You know, I would have thought a lot of better ones. Fair enough. But in all seriousness, folks, this is Jackson or Jack Mumford. He's a manager at Airwaves Atlanta.

He is head of AR at Chaos Club. We appreciate you coming on, man. Thank you guys. Thank you for having me. Yeah. No, so a lot of people claim the title of AR. Okay. I hated it. I I don't, I don't even. But to you, define AR for us. What is an AR to you? I mean, to me, it's just going above and beyond. Because like you are like, for me right now, it's like being the liaison between if it's the label or if it's the manager or if it's the artist, you know, just being that middle ground and also just respecting like what's going on on all sides. Because it's music, it's creative, it's art, you know, but it's also turned into a business that makes a lot of people a lot of money. So you got to understand both sides and come at it with just like the understanding of like you're in a good place about what your like your decision is or where we want to go with this record or that and the other, you know, just and you know, working with the right people. I think I think that's what makes a good AR because it's not just finding the artist and signing them to the label, it's day in, day out, meetings, talking to them, you know, take off this song off the album, put this one on.

What do you think about this? And doing like ancillary stuff. Did I say that right? Yeah, I guess. Um it's okay because we make up words on the podcast too. So if it wasn't right, I've been questioning myself on that word the past couple weeks. I think you nailed it. All right, perfect. So, like, and and it's doing like I think liaison was a great word. Yeah, that's a liaison. Like everything, you know. I just kind of realized, like being an AR, everything kind of comes back to you. Yeah, especially like when you're overseeing projects, because you're the overseer. Yeah, you know, like you're kind of the coach. And you know, your CEOs and your execs are like your GMs, you know, like the front office, and they're looking like, what are you doing? Yeah. You know, are your players playing right? Or like what's going on? Yeah. You know? So your love for the creative process, did it did it come from seeing your brother rap? Is that the first time that you fell in love with like making music? Yeah, actually, it was before that. So we before that. So, like, we had like one like desktop computer, and so it was like in the office. And like our dad hated when we downloaded LimeWire and Frostwire.

I thought you were gonna say porn. I mean, probably could probably get it on there. Like, I'm sure it was like a torrent or some shit. I don't know. Um, but we had like dad Piff and Hot New Hip Hop, but like we wanted the stuff that like we couldn't buy, or you know, the unreleased, like we didn't know sometimes we didn't know what we were listening to, because it'd be titled something different, but it'd be like a Gucci main track that like got leaked on Limewire, Frostwire. Anyways, that's where I first fell in love with like finding out like music and hip hop specifically. But like my parents, like we're listening. My name's Jackson. We're listening to outcasts like Miss Jackson, you know, Rose, you know, all that. Like they played that back, like you know, Nelly country grammar, like my mom. I'm pretty sure was like Jay-Z live from the boiler room, like blueprint live from the boiler room she had on your mom was listening to this on disc. Your mom sounds awesome, bro. We were going to my mom is not listening to these records. Our hockey practice in Charleston, South Carolina, all the time. She would play that. And I remember it was like a live band, it was lit, you know. It was it was cool.

Shout out to moms one time. Yeah, yeah. Shout out Jack's mom one time. Shout out to Miss Mumford. Love you, mom. Love you, mom. Miss Mumford. I think it just translated because my brother was always the older one, so he was always showing me the new stuff. Yeah, you know, like I ain't gonna lie, my brother was like the first dude to make it cool to like Justin Bieber and his friend group. Ooh. Wow. And it transcended. You know, it was like he was blaring his- So there was a bunch of believers in your uh No, no, no, my brother's friend. Yeah, I mean, like, it just, you know, it was like high school. It looked cool, but like he always was just a tastemaker. Yeah, so he always just brought the new music, and I took that upon myself to when it got to the point where like I was in high school, or you know, I would be that person. But yeah, he started rapping, and I was like, oh shit, like my brother's actually doing this. That's around the time like I was in uh middle school in Tennessee. So Yeah, so you moved around a lot. Oh, I moved around a lot. Yeah, I just moved around because my dad's job. You know, he was like in the golf business, like he was just getting promotions, like he was just working his way up. You know, I saw my parents come from like, you know, me and my brother sleeping in the same bed to get my own room to like the levels.

I I saw how hard work goes and pays off, you know, when you put your time in, you know. And uh so my brother just like finished out high school there and got his college scholarship to play soccer, you know. And you also played a soccer player and you had a scholarship, right? Yeah, so then I moved. on. It got cut short a little bit though. Yeah, so it comes to like playoffs, they don't make the playoffs. So I'm like, season's over, you know. All right, I'm jet setting to Orlando, Florida to go to this festival. You know, I love like trying music, you know. That's like EDC, yeah, EDC. EDC Orlando, yeah. Um, and uh, it's cool. Like, I don't like listen to it daily, but like when I go to those festivals, I just it's like my vacation. You know, um you're a big womper, aren't you? Yeah, you love the womp. I love I love me some wubs. I can't allow it. Wubby wub. definitely, definitely got some good times. So I went, it was a great time. Um came back, and yeah, it got a little got a little told on, you know. Oh, yeah, like smoke, you know, some weed and you know, stuff, and like some dry snitching. Yeah, some I don't know who it was. I ain't gonna accuse them

on on this, but like I don't know who it was. Um, I have my hunches, but it's all good. It's all good. Everything panned out, yeah, and they know who they are, but it panned out. But anyways, I got back, and yeah, so the day after Easter Orlando, I get a call from the AD. What they tried to do though was try to send me the fucking rehab. Oh and I was like, nah, like I'm not that, you know, like I get it. Like I messed up, but like, you know, it's all good. Yeah. Um that didn't fly. I just didn't. I just did. I mean, at the time, bro, like I didn't know what I was doing either. Like, I was not. So you parted ways. Yeah, I parted ways. I I just like, yeah, I just said, all right, deuces, like, you know, the same for me. I was just a kid, I was just 18 years old. There's a lot of other shit going on in my life too that I didn't know how to juggle. Yeah, you know, so that definitely affected me. Um, but you know, that's all my responsibility. I learned from those things. So um, yeah, I went back to you know, Florida, and then so is this when NGAF? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's when Starts? That's when What what was NGAF? it's it it means never go against family.

We have a lot of other meetings for it, as what you could think, like never give a fuck or anything. Just because we're like some Orlando kids, it was around the time where we were all like heavily influenced by uh X and Ski and members only and all that stuff, like that they were coming through Orlando a lot, you know, performing like on Mills and just like at different venues around the city, sound bar, all types of videos. I mean, my homie Austin, you know, who started in NGAF, like who got me involved with it. Um, he has like DMs from like X and Ski way back in the day, telling him like 500 or show. Like, you know, so. What were you doing with them? I was promoting shows so so yeah, I'm about to give you I'll let you know. So, how like he brought me this idea? Hey, like I see other people doing this. Why can't we? we do this? It started out simply as a clothing brand. I was like, Well, you need a website, you know, you need like you need some things. I can do that. You know, I was like, I know how to do a big cartel. I was like, it's easy. You know, I started to learn how to like embed codes and stuff. And like I wasn't coding, but I was just learning like how to make fundamentals, how to make, how to make things look cool. We started doing a blog.

We we were doing content, you know. We I was just with Austin, you know, pressing shirts, making designs, cutting out, you know, like everybody did their d did their dues. Like that was a fun time. I'm not gonna lie. We didn't know what the fuck we were doing, but it we knew what we were doing. Like it was a it was just to like make an impact, and for a lot of us was just to like break down the door of like, well, maybe we can do something in this. I didn't know what I wanted to do music, but I know I wanted to do something. We started throwing shows after we dropped some clothes, like some like releases. We threw a show at this thing called vinyl arts downtown. And our like show, our first one, it got shut down because it was so fucking packed out, crazy. Wow, like, but it was lit, it was like Yeah, more like, yeah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. yeah, I need a cheer. Yeah, exactly. That was I it was so cool. It got shut down. This is no, it was it was awesome because it was the last performers, headliners, they were going nuts, and like, I mean, it was just it was just a moment. But Vonnie was performing that night and he killed it, you know.

He had that big he had his little song Tropicana going crazy. But me and him don't connect until like another like six, seven months. Like the NGAF stuff, is cool, but like we're just definitely like spending all our money, like making some back, not really. Like, we're really doing it to like get our name out. So it's not like I'm still working jobs, like fucking Pizza Hut, Smoothie King, that like this place called Dexter's, I did wet construction, like window. So, but but what did you think you were working towards at that time? Did you think you wanted to be this big promoter? Did you want to be a brand owner? Yeah, I think I was just working at it. yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just was just trying to figure it out, you know. But I was just doing anything I could get my hand on. I put money into it. Like I was taking my paychecks and putting it into the shows. Yeah. And then it was like, do I stay in Orlando? Do I go to Miami? And Miami was like a reset for me. Okay, so you're in you in Miami. Yeah, I'm in Miami. I'm in sunrise. Sunrise, like near Fort Lauderdale, you know, right there off over South Florida. Yeah, South Florida, Broward County. Yeah.

I started working at that sawgrass mills. I worked at like Levi's Puma. I was just getting the bag. I was resetting. I wasn't really getting into too much. Like, I wasn't like putting myself out there. Um, but I couldn't help myself. I mean, I did get a little bit like notoriety. Like, I mean, that was the time where like a lot of people, you know, that internet wave was just evident. Twitter was crazy. So were you still writing and stuff at the time? Yeah. I was like writing for like five blogs. Like I was busting it, like trying to interview anyone I could. Like, did you always have a fascination with writing like as a kid or anything? Or like where so that just bro, I don't know where that came from. It was a random thing that like, I mean, like, I just like I think I like talking, you know? Sure. So you're at the right place, my friend. Yeah, exactly. But like more, yeah, we definitely don't have to pull teeth with Jackson uh when it comes to talking. Hell no. Same here, it's okay. Um I had this thing like where I was seeing blogs and publications post negative reviews about music. And I didn't understand that.

Cause like Mama always said, If if you don't like, or like nothing nice to say, don't fucking say it at all. Like, who cares? I don't care if you don't like it. If you like it, tell me all about it, though. Like, because I you you must have something interesting. There must be passion. If you don't like it, you're just gonna be bitching and moaning about it the whole time. I don't care. Yeah, Girl, you could take that shit somewhere else. I mean, I never wrote a bad review in my life. Yeah, you can't, but If you really didn't like something though, I just didn't write about it. You didn't write it. No. That was probably an unpopular approach. I'd imagine you were clearly getting more and more gigs. So like people saw you. Yeah, I think I think approach. It's not like you tried once and they were like, ooh, this positivity bullshit. Get that out of here. I think they like the wittiness. I had like a little witty. You know, I would always like, I would keep uh Daily Chiefers, my favorite one to write for. Yeah, because like what was your favorite article to write for Daily Chiefers? You know what?

I've been bringing it up lately. Well, let's bring it up now. But I wrote court, you know, by being a corday? Yeah, yeah. I wrote about him when he was on Tondre. That was his artist name? You can look it up right now No idea. You look up on Tondre, Daily Chiefers, he'll pull up and it'll be Jack wrote that article. Wow. Yeah. And he changed his name. Was he doing a lot of double triple on Tondres? I don't know. But he was definitely. If he wasn't, then that's a weird brand name. He was definitely, he was definitely he was definitely dope. He was definitely good. Um, his his guy, Hospy, um, at the time, I was like in this like little creative like writer click on Twitter, like in the DMs. Oh, a writer click. Like, no, we were sounds exclusive. Hey, what was fucking exclusive? Sounds awesome. I mean, no, it was cool. We were just like sharing, like, you know, it was just like yeah, were all the texts like this long or something, you know? Like you can never say just like a quick most detailed group chat of all time. Besides me. Yeah, I'm just like, this song is fire.

Nice. Light that shit up. Um and all the people I got to meet. I mean, like, I was going to South by Southwest, and like I got to run up to rappers and artists and shit and be like, hey, I work with Daily Chiefers. Can I get a drop? Like, can you do you think the blogging kind of like set the foundation for you like that? Oh, yeah. Shout out to fucking hey, hold on. Shout out to Joey Walker. The dude who Joey, the dude who runs We'd love to have you on the podcast, Joey. We'd love to have you on. Hey, the dude he runs Daily Chiefers. He's AR, one of the best ARs I know. He knew Vonnie and he knew the team, and we had met, but he never knew that like I was blogging at the time. He was just like, bro, I never knew you, bro. Or I never knew you did this shit. Like, why didn't you tell me? And it was like, I was like, yeah, bro. I was, you know, I'm just low-key. That's all me. I'm I'm a fly on the wall. I'm gonna soak up all the information. But I'll never be like, yo, let me get that. You know what I'm saying? Like You weren't asking for change. not until like, you know, until you know your value. You know, but that then I I knew I didn't have no value. Like I was just doing shit because I knew I had to until something was like popped, you know, until something was like, damn, he did that.

Oh shit, what's up? Like, what are you doing? You know, so do you start managing Vonnie Vo down in Florida? Yeah, that's I was managing Vonnie at the time. Okay, so you're managing Vonnie. You end up getting him on a tour with a Riz. With Riz. Yeah, so who will come full circle to in a little bit. But how did you even make, like you know? We like to give insights to our audience who might be, you know, wanting to get in the music business, whatever. How did you even get him on a tour? How does that even how did that work? I mean, like how it actually happened was we had a show like at Hanao in Orlando, like a month or two before it got like offered to us. And I was looking for a DJ board. Come on, come on, come on. I hit up his boy, uh Jorge, Javi. Um we'll call him Jorge. Something with a soft J. Right. yeah. I fucking ah, fuck. I'm sorry, bro. You know who you are. Shout out to you, whoever you are. Um and uh he worked at Vans though with our boy Daniel Hartzog. So Daniel Hartzog, who's the executive producer, like or you know, it does a lot of Riz's production.

You know, um, we hit the guy up from Vans and he hit up Daniel. And um he he like basically was like, yo, I think this kid might have one. And Daniel did, and he connected me with him. So this is how you meet Dan. This is how meet Daniel. Because he just has a DJ board in the city of Orlando, swear to God, and he ends up becoming a big part of your story. Yeah, I mean, imagine if he never bought the board. guys. If you need a connection, just have a fucking spare DJ board. Buy some CDJs and the right people will find you. You might meet a Jack Mumford at some point in your life. Yeah, I mean, bro, you you you know, like that's the That's crazy. That's the crazy thing. A lot of us weren't like really internet built. Like, none of it, like I did a lot of things internet pre to meeting who I work with right now. Yeah, and then that was a real life, yeah. Who has a fucking DJ board in the city? Yeah, and you literally meet him. Yeah, so you meet Dan, he comes over, brings the DJ. Yeah, and we set up the set list. He comes to the show, I'm pretty sure, and like he's like, Hey, I make beats too. Yeah, he well, he shows me Riz, and like I don't think I've ever told him this, but like I've never listened to Riz until the day I got on tour with him.

At the time, I was kind of still like not in tune with what like give give people time. You know, give the people the time, whether it's a DM, whether it's a conversation, give the people the time. Yeah, you know, because Riz is I mean why why I'm here, you know. Transpires like a couple months later, maybe a month. I don't even remember the timeline, but Dan DMs me. He goes, Yo, like, you want to come? You want Vonnie want to come direct support for Riz? And I was just like, go on tour. I was like, Yeah. Yes. I was like, what? I was like, I don't care what we're I don't care who we're playing, where we're playing, I don't know, just take us. Yeah. Road trip. I get to go on the road. But so Dan, he ends up being a big part of your life. You guys become roommates. Yeah. So after this tour, I'm back in like Florida. And he they stu he starts coming down, you know, him, DA, like all my homies are like, shout out DA. We'd love to have you on the podcast, my friend. Yes, have DA on the podcast, please.

Good guy, great TV. He would be, he would, he would he he probably wouldn't come on. Well, we're gonna try our best. Yeah. After this tour. Yeah. With Riz and Vonnie Vo. Yep. Do you end up moving in with Dan at this point? So I go back How does it go from the guy that literally has a DJ board to hey man, want to come live with me? I mean, when you're on a road with someone for a week, you know, and you know them kind of like just by exchanging, and they and you've interacted with Dan, like when he's come down like multiple times, you know, yeah, throughout like that spring. Or yeah, yeah, I think that's when we I think we did the summer. So like it was that spring. He was like hanging around. We became really good friends one night. You know, he was we're on my parking garage, and he goes, Yeah, bro, like you want to like just move in, like to the crib. For me, it was like that fresh start. It was like that restart that I got. So paint us the picture of this spot. Where was it? It was in the middle of fucking nowhere. Yeah, this isn't in Miami, by the way. No, no, no, no.

I'm leaving Miami. He's leaving Giant city. Okay. When I left my it wasn't a big deal to me. It Miami didn't excite me like hell it does with us. But so where do you go? I go to Donaldsonville, Georgia. Nobody knows where the hell. Donaldsonville, Georgia. Donaldson, Donaldson. We gotta say it right. We gotta say it right. One stop, one street light stops, you know, town. The main street. Main street, we live in the main part. But this was like the craziest reset for me. I mean, this is where life, you know, this is where I started getting into management. For real, like managing producers. No, this spot was like a big this was a huge, Huge launching point. This is where I meet, you know, like I say, everybody I work with now. But Dan's over here forming this relationship with David Morris, who I manage. He was DMing, like, hey, you you you have some sick songs. This is the only internet connection, by the way. Besides Dan and Riz on the internet, and Dan and David is the only internet connection that this whole group has. So you guys were just hustling.

We just see how teams were built. We just see who's around it. Like there's there's there's pieces. There's your guy who like does this. Here's your man, you know. So what what were some of the things you guys were doing? So, I mean, yeah, it was definitely a little bit of a crossroads at the beginning. I was doing the blogging. I was like kind of just being the running man for Riz and like Dan and the gang. Like I was just really just like, oh, we gotta go to South by Southwest. I'm hopping in the van. Oh, we gotta go to LA, I'm going. Oh, like you need this, I'm there. Like what you need, you know. I'll be your guy. Ancillary support. Exactly. Just being a jack of all trades. Pun intended. Pun is always intended. Yes. So it sounds like you had this hustler attitude of just like whatever it took, right? Yeah, I mean, there was weeks in that time period where we were like nothing was really going on. Me and DA, we had like a rooftop out of our place. Like we lived above Dan Daniel's parents' pharmacy. Shit was crazy. Yeah. But it was dope. It was on Main Street. Yeah. It just said pharmacy. It didn't even happen. Yeah, it had the RX. There's no CVS.

There's no Walgreens. It's pharmacy. But so other than hustling, what are some of the other characteristics that you think have made you successful in music so far? And I've noticed for me, if I put in the work and I just put my head down and I don't ask for anything, or you know, or and when it's the right time, proper moves at the proper timing. That was my thing. Like, you know, there's always a right move at the right time. It's always not right. One more time, one give it to them one more time. Man, I don't think they were listening to you, Jack. Proper moves for the proper time, or proper moves, proper timing, whatever you want to say. I I said it smoother. I haven't said it in a while. because I just live by it now. That's pretty smooth. No, I I live, I live by it now. It's like a seven on a smooth scale. I just say I say things so I start living by them. You know what I'm saying? I just say it a bunch. Like manifestation has been our word this year. It's been a word for a long time. We've always felt it, but I've just been saying it more and more and more and speaking on it. I think also believing in what you what you're meant to be doing.

You know, I think I'm I think I'm right in where I need to be. I think I now like when I got into the management and I started like, you know, shout out to my boy Kevin Cossett. You know, he he manages like TNT, Taj Money. Oh, they're with Lush uh publishing, yeah. He's Lush. So that's Kevin. he's from Lush. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so we had Whoa on the podcast. Okay, fine. Whoa manages. like Mexico Joe and Tasha Couture. There you go. Another big uh kind of launching, you know, for you was an interscope for or an AR at Interscope. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hits you up for a six dogs pack. But yeah, you know, the crazy thing is I didn't I don't know if I knew that we were sending the six dogs. I might have known, but like I just I think I just how big was that pack? People, bro. That pack was like 50 plus 50 beats? 50 plus from uh from from my main three, you know, like David, Woods, and Daniel. It's hard to ignore.

It's bro 50 beats. I'm surprised they got through all of them. Kevin Cossett, he was managed all his producers. He had said, Hey, I need a studio. We just like got to the studio, and I was just watching him like pull up his laptop, have like beats for all his producers and start playing them. And this artist is going in there and coming out, and be like, all right, play the next one. And it's all his people. And I'm like sitting there, like, okay, why haven't I seen this before? Like, I was like, I've been in plenty of studios. I've you bang management artists, you know, or whatever sort of. That was like, you know, like I mean, me and Vonnie, like that was like the us figuring our careers out at the time. Hey, I mean, get started somewhere. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Exactly. So there's no fucking course for management. Exactly, exactly. Learn by trial and error. And every day. Every day. Um, and I'm watching them like, all right, this is just fire. Like, I was like, I like this. This is cool. Like, you manage the producers, they make the beats. You get to work with the artists in the studio. That's cool.

Right. I like I like working with artists. Like, I like interacting with them, you know. You get to interact with the producers, you get to make the records happen. Then you don't gotta deal with like the management of the artists. Because I'm not gonna lie, that's difficult. It's not for everyone. That's where it came to all right. All right, let me go figure out this management career. Like, let me go finish out. Like, let me go figure out the game. Let me go like manage some producers. From Kevin watching him do that, I was like, Yeah, I need to do this. So I'm I have Daniel. He's day. I've already known I've known David at this point. You know, I know Woods. I know Jamie. I know all these guys, you know. So I'm like, yeah, let's get some packs together. Like, let's start. I I don't know if Six Dogs was the first pack I sent out, but it might have been. It was the biggest for sure. I mean, well, is that just the average pack size? Like, I'll say like 10, maybe. No, I remember, I remember, I remember we were in the basement of David's, and he and I said that story, and like I'm pretty sure Hanzo, Danny Wolfe were there, and like they both looked at me and they're like, bro, don't ever do that with my beats. Yeah.

And at that moment, I was like, Yep, never. Nah, like four to five. I mean, depending on what the people how I mean, I always just say how many you want. Like a couple. I mean, I don't know. I don't I don't know. There's like a magic number. Magic number, but like everyone says 40. But it's not 50. There was a magic number. It's way less than 50. I mean, all right, Let's put the logic here. I gave 50 and got three back. You know? When you send out five, sometimes. you might get zero or one. Or you might not get nine. exactly. Yeah. So maybe we should start sending out 50 beat packs. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Can we start at Like 20. That's just like that's just like I feel like that's just ethically wrong. Yeah. So I know you did spend some time out in LA. Were there any highlights from your time out there? I met this guy, Gabe Saporta, um who was like my like first real mentor. Um, I met him at South by Southwest. And I pick up the phone and I'm like, yo, bruh, like, you know, I ain't really like I really got much going right now. Like, I mean, I do, you know, but like, not really.

I really want to get my foot really in this door. Like, I really want to come work for a company. I don't gotta get paid. Like, I just want to come. I will I'll fly out there tomorrow. I'll spend my last money and go out there. It was the first person I reached out to. I was about to reach out to some like labels and shit, trying to get a job. He reaches out, he's like, bro, it's yours. Come out. Like he's like, Yeah, I can't pay you right now, but like let's work towards something, you know. Like, I was like, shit, say no more. Like ran to my mom. It was like, all right, I'm going to fucking LA. Like, I'm gonna go do this. Like, I'm gonna give it a try. I went out to LA and uh I started this two year journey out there. So what what was uh Gabe doing? Was he a producer manager? Oh no, no, no. So the artist group, the music at the time it was like a label service, but it was also it's a management company. Started out as a man, it's because all the all all these dope artists, like all type pop, alternative, you know, electronic, you know, uh rock, all types of stuff, you know. And they were very welcoming. I mean, you know, like some great co-workers, some great, you know, women to work with, you know, really like the women are some of the favorite people to work with in this industry.

They're they're very talented. That was a great time to learn from them and be efficient. But also be yourself, you know, be because this is business. You you meet execs, you meet ARs, you meet people. They're all like these unique people. Like, I mean, I'm I'm definitely a one on one. I know that. You know, so like everybody's a one-on-one in this shit. Like, that's what I love about it. It was a really good time. So I'm I'm working with some artists. Some are like, I'm not really clicking with it. I don't know. I'm still trying to figure it out. And like me and Gabe are talking all the time, like what I could do better and what, you know, like really giving me pointers on the game. I mean, I'm listening to this man on phone calls every day. Help the process and be for the artist. I mean, it's the artist group. It's uh it's for the artist by the artist. You know, you know. That that was his thing. He was an artist, he was in Cobra Starship, you know, fucking big, you know. Yeah, yeah. So he he knew it. You know, that was cool to learn from him because he really cared about who he worked with. Yeah, and that's like what I I care, you know. There's this guy, you know, my boy Blaze Riley was renting out the studio, hit the studio owned by Tag in the same building. One night we had like the tag night.

and we were like, oh, like partying, all the artists were there, and like people were showing up, and we're just having a good time. And I ended up just like, I have such a long trek back to Long Beach. I was like, I'm just gonna stay the night in the studio. He comes, he comes in the next day and he's like, Oh shit, what's up? And I'm like, my bad, bruh. Like, I just have a long like drive back. I was so toasted last night, I just didn't want to go. We just chilled that whole day, you know, and like showed me his music, showed me what he's writing on, who he's working with, what's what was the plan? So did you start working with him officially at all? So yeah, so Gabe comes in one day and he goes, You want to guess who we're managing? You know, you get like 10 guesses or some shit. So, like Sid, me, everybody starts guessing. Like this person, that person, that person. We're not guessing Blaze at all. At the time I thought he had a manager. He's like, No, we got Blaze. Nice. And he was like, Jackson, you're gonna be on it. So that was my first day-to-day management. And and so obviously you're out in LA, you start learning the ropes of management. Yeah, yeah.

So, like me and Gabe are now have our I'm getting paid now, you know, I'm getting checks, I'm getting working every day on shit. This is like my first project with Gabe. I think the goal is just to help him get back in with his people there, you know, like his ARs and just like let's get shit moving. And I think we kind of did that. Did that Space Jam stuff came through? And like I remember sending the brief to him, you know. I mean, everybody can send a brief, you know, but um, like it Blaze really like took it to him. And that's when he went through the beats for Tasha Couture And he picked out a TashaCatura beat, and he wrote Game Time by Lil Tecca and Amine. So I got to see that from V1 to wherever to finish product, yeah. V20,000. Right, you know, that's how that goes for real. From Blaze, I take this phone call with Naomi Wilde where I do I might get on her as her day-to-day manager. That's my that's my girl. Like I I love her.

She transcended, she was going from a different, like uh a different part in her career, like from touring into like this album, really like forming that project was like the moment for me, you know. I was really in the nitty-gritty with with Naomi. You know, I was really like AR on that project. Yeah, you know, I was really like trying to get songs done, you know, like we're trying to form a project, form an idea, you know, all that. Um, and that's where it really was like, okay, I can do this shit. Like, I think I know what I want to do, you know. I think I wanna um I think I want to like be in AR. I want to do the management stuff, you know. But I want to do it like in my time. So that whole period with Naomi was really great. Um so does Jamie call at this point or yeah, so me and Jamie are talking. This is the time around where the producers kind of start going up. Like they start doing their thing. Um, like some placements.

Yes. So there was there was a period of time where Atlanta was doing Atlanta and Jackson was doing Jackson in LA. You know what I'm saying? Where like we we weren't talking every day, you know, I would get updates here and there, but I was really focused on like getting game every day, like staying in like what what this industry is or or what what I can learn, you know, it wasn't really focused on, on on stuff going on in Atlanta, but I was always there to help because I was like learning a lot. This song for the trap that Jamie did. Um or not Jamie, but like they recorded at Jamie's house and then ended up finishing it at David's uh Woods, and David got on it with Sensei ATL. And I was like the first one because that shit went viral, you know. Um, so and he got like signed off Columbia for it. A few more come in. The big one for Woods was SoFaygo, you know. Faygo was kind of coming over more. Crazy right now. Yeah, going stupid. Six Six Dogs was recording his whole album at the time there, like that dude, that Ronald was being recorded at the house. So I'm getting updates every day from Jamie, like, bro, this, that, and the other.

And I'm just like, bro, y'all really like killing it. Like, y'all like y'all like doing the damn thing. And that's when quarantine hits. I'm going back to Florida. I'm gonna go just chill with my dad for a month. I hadn't seen my dad in like two years. I go back to LA in July, trying to find an apartment, staying at Naomi's. Didn't really fire anything. I don't think I really wanted anything. I wasn't motivated to get an apartment in LA. Next place I go, Atlanta. So finally I get, you know, back to Atlanta after like two and a half years. And like, yeah, they've turned up like I've I've obviously seen it. I've been doing like the paperwork and I've been helping, like, you know, I like managing, you know, like Jamie's like the AR day-to-day manager in the city, and like I'm just over here, like on the emails and like making sure everybody's business is straight. Um and at the time we get like, you know, our our good lawyer Darren Schwartz, you know, got a shout out, Darren. him out, handles all of our shit, gets it done. Uh yeah, we might need his business card, dude.

Yeah, I'm sure he would not mind it. I mean, you know the lawyers they always down to take someone else. Yeah, I'll take it. I don't mean to put that on you, Darren, but uh slutty ass lawyers. Well, now he's definitely not gonna work with us. Yeah, y'all wrote that one on. Yeah, way to go, man. We'll edit that out of the episode. You burned that bridge. So when you moved back, did you know you were gonna. Yeah, I didn't move back at that time? Like it wasn't official. I hadn't left tag. It was just I came back, you know. You were just around Atlanta. I was just staying at the house. Like that was that now. You know, I was just at the couch because you know, there was other people living in the crib and at the end of the room, so I was just crashing on the couch, and I was there for like two months, I think. And and in that time, a lot happened, you know. I mean, the chaos clubs started, you know, like Airways Atlanta really took off for Jamie, you know. He him and him and Woods were like really cultivating Faygo's sound, and like they like Faygo's team became part of our team, you know, like you know, like their family, you know, and and and and and placements were coming, and and David was doing really well, and Daniel was making this project and getting in with Tom the Mailman, and like we were just all these things were happening. And I was like, you know, like I just missed, I missed it, you know.

I was just like, I wanted to be here, you know. And I think there was some opportunities um with the chaos club stuff, and and and at the time they were interested in Riz, you know, and I was a big part of just Riz's like friend life, you know, and and and a person who worked in the music stuff and was doing something, you know. He was definitely a reason why I even know Gabe. So tell us what Chaos Club is. Chaos Club is just uh it's just any label uh started by Danny Wolf. Uh shout out Danny Wolf. We'd love to have you on the podcast. Shout out to my boy. I'll definitely tell him about this. He definitely he's been open to like all this stuff. Uh and, and, And just coming in and chopping it up. Um yeah, yeah. So him and like Juju, his business manager, they they started it, you know, and uh they were they they you know, I just had a couple conversations with them and definitely wanted to come on, and my main goal was just to sign Riz. Like I was like, that's what I wanted to come in on. Yeah, like full circle, man. Yeah, right?

Crazy. Right. So like there was a lot that happened in between when we started the episode about you know, Vonnie Vo obviously opening up for Riz and Dan Hartzog giving you the fucking DJ board for the Riz, you know, show or whatever. Um to now. Yeah. To being a huge part of getting him signed to Chaos Club. Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, you know, everybody's involved with it. Juju, Danny, you know, um, he's comfortable with just Atlanta, you know, he he comes to the house, he stays at Danny's, he's he he he I think it was just a good situation because we're still indie label, you know. We're we're partnered with Orchard Sony, but we're still indie. so you know, it was a great situation. We had a lot of love for him. You know, I think we wanted to give a lot of ammo to it as well. So what did you love about Riz so much? What do you love about Riz? You know, he pushes me. You know, he keeps me on my toes. He's definitely one that like if if if if he sees something that like I could be better at, like, you know, he'll tell me. So he challenges you.

He challenges me. He keeps it real with me. Or like like when I said earlier, like we go through our times as like a group, as like my whole, my team, they know who they are, like in the ins and outs. But what makes like a beautiful team, a beautiful family, is like going through those times and coming out on the greener side. And I think that's what we always do. And that's what Riz. He shines light on stuff that I might be like kind of putting my my light on, but he's like, here. Shine it brighter. Yeah, here's the full picture. Wow. Um, he he does that for me a lot, whether he knows that or not. Um if he sees this episode, then he now knows He does. Well, I'm sure some of them will watch it just to hear me talk, maybe do some dumb shit. Um but so yes, you've been, you know, managing producers, you've been head head of AR now, you know, brought on to work at Chaos Club, Danny Wolf's imprint. Obviously, you've had your hand in helping build producers, you know, catalog and brand and their business, and then obviously now you've had a hand in building artists, right? With the you know, Naomi stuff, yeah, uh with Gabe, and then obviously now with Riz and Chaos clubs, you know, label.

What do you think the differences are between building up a producer and building an artist? And then what do you think are some of the similar things, right? Because I think people that are trying to, you know, maybe break a producer or break an artist, should know what you see are similar, and what do you see are different? We want to help some people out if possible on the podcast, you know. Always, always. Um the cut and dry is like producers, they're introverts, they stay inside, they want to cook up. You know, there's some that are extroverts, Woods, you know, who's like a DJ, you know, who wants to be live and active. But a lot of them are in the studio and they want to get them beats out, they want to get placements, you know, depending on what type of producer. A lot of them are extroverts. I mean, I'm probably wrong with that. You know, the ones I deal with definitely are. That's interesting to think about, you know. You know, but artists, whether they say they're introverted or not, I mean, they're extroverts. I mean, they're putting, they're putting your art out, you're putting yourself out, yeah.

You know, so um, you know, just dealing with that. I think it's uh it's it's just it's just a balance. It's um producers just you know, like it's just one thing to put a beat, and that is music. I'm not taking away from that, but like there's another thing when your voice projects, and you know, you hear yourself and you say things that like are your your personal things, you know. So it's dealing with like such a level of care, yeah. You know, not saying I don't care for my you know, like the producer. I'm not talking about my life when I make a beat. Yeah, like you know, you you you're doing a feeling, you're in a vibe. But sometimes, bro, like artists be making you get out the studio because it gets so intimate. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, it's intimate, you know. So, like it's their career, bro. It's their life. So that's a big difference. I was like, it's a huge difference. It's a huge difference. You have to adjust, you have to adjust, but then it gets to a certain point where producers become the metros and the Zaytovens and the Murdas and the take a day trips and the you know, uh the huge ones. I mean, it's happening for Woods right now.

You know, you know, I can see it, man. So like I love what you guys do now, you know, you know, Twitch is a huge thing, you know. The management team is big big on that, you know. Who on who on your team is doing Twitch? Woods Woods is on Twitch, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna follow him right now. Oh, you have to backwoods one. Hey, maybe it'll uh and inspire you to to do your Twitch channel. I've got an eye on Twitch, bro. You've got to get on it. He's got to. Are you kidding me? Yeah, let's start with, If you're doing this shit, exactly. Let's start with like see if I can keep the IG lives consistent. Let's start there. So, so what's the end game? What are you building towards? Uh you know. Because obviously you got the management uh company that that you know you're working with with with Jamie with everybody. Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna be real. Like, that's hey, that's that's Jamie's baby. Like, that's not mine, you know. No, for sure. But he clearly trusted you too. Yeah, yeah, but I respect where I'm at with it at all times. You know, so like I actually I have my goals too, but I'm I want to build this this airwaves thing for Jamie, just you know, like with us and like go take it to the next level, you know, because that helps everyone else. Um, but I definitely I have a couple things in mind.

Like, I want to be ahead of something of like my own company, maybe it's a publishing, maybe it's uh management, maybe it's a label. I don't know that yet. I think it's what I've told people before, it's been publishing. That's where I'm at. Um, I think I'm really good at it. I think I've understanded it a lot. It it seems like you're you you've learned from some people. I mean, you know, even with like Danny having started his own thing, Danny Wolf, Jamie having started his own thing, Gabe started his own thing. Oh, yeah. I mean, bro, You're surrounding yourself with entrepreneurs. That's always been my thing is is just like I've always just wanted to help. Because I didn't want to go too far into something that was mine and then like back out of it. Because like Jamie's never backed out of his, and look where he's at. Danny never backed out of his. Look where he's at. Gabe never backed out of his. I'm just like, you know, like it there, it's gonna be that moment where it's gonna be like boom. Now it's now you know exactly where where you're at.

Um, and you know, yeah, so you're just you're just doing you're just living in the moment, and when that door opens, yeah, that door is probably open. It's right around the corner. I just don't see it yet. And I'm just you know, or it's not, you know, I'm very just wake up every day, have your your your daily checklist, you know, handle your business, whether it's personal or business, like handle your shit. Um you know everything else falls. Everything else will come. Yeah, rest will come. You know, I just like, yeah. Don't know how I got here. I do, but well, speaking of getting here, we are at a final segment of the One More Time podcast. It's Henry's favorite, it's everyone's favorite. Uh Henry, where are we at, my guy? Zest, Jackson. This is the rapid fire rampage. Oh, it's a three-part rampage. Okay, let me fucking tell us take a sip.

Buckle up, buddy. Get ready for this one. So it's gonna be some short answer questions, and then I'm gonna do it this or that, where you just pick one of two choices, and then a word association. I'm gonna give you one word, you give me one word back. Simple as that. Okay, repeat that. I was not conjugating. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna tell you as we go. So I'm gonna start with some short answer questions. Yeah. Off the top of your head. Rapid fire rampage, Jackson Mumford, initiate rampage. Give us one artist in your top five of all time. Young Thug. Give us one soccer player in your top five of all time. Harry Kane. Is there a genre of music that you secretly like? Country. He's good so far. He's rapid. Tomorrow, Joe Biden exiles you from America. Where do you go live? Oh, to fucking England. Fucking England. Bloody hell. Bloody hell.

If you were in the music industry, but not as an AR or manager, what would you be? I would be an accounting admin. It's the worst dream. Because I want to pay out quicker than these goddamn labels do. Oh, the reasoning was immaculate. And then I'm sure I'm gonna get it. No, no, no, no. I guarantee after this drops and someone sees this, I'm gonna get a text. You don't you owe me for an invoice? Or you just have a lot of uh wire transfers that come in right after this episode drops. That's the other option. That's possible. That's right. And we will take our commission off of those invoices. Just get paid, boy, everybody and you these days. Uh-huh. All right, what's up? So the city of Atlanta decrees that Jackson Mumford can only eat at one restaurant for the rest of his life. What do you choose?

Yard House. Damn, he's fast, man. Most of our guests I have to do some editing magic to make it seem like they're fast. Not this one. If you came out tomorrow as a tropical house DJ and producer, what would your stage name be? Oh, gingy though, probably. That's what people call me in high school, gingy. Gingy. Yeah. DJ Gingy. That just sounds like tropical. It does. Yeah. Like a like a crush, you know, like a like a crush soda would be like my like signature thing. It'd be like a colored. He's really thought about this, Henry. No. I mean, you know, a color to run dream. I definitely do daydream. Or not, you know, just like when I'm in bed at night. Like I just think, hey, what would I, what would be if I'm twenty. If I was this person, if I was this person, who would I be? A lot of times I daydream about just being like music and like shit. Just because so shit, the next day something might come up, and I was daydreaming about that. Like I could have a good idea for their career. Yeah. Because I was dreaming about mine, but I'm not gonna do that in real life.

There you go. Fair enough. Yeah. Give us one of the dumbest things you've ever done. Can I say this? I guess. I don't know. I don't know if I'm gonna get in trouble, but I did pay him off. Um, yo, the prom. I threw a crate, like I threw a party and I put my name on it on my fake ID, and they came at me on some like, you're going to jail if you don't pay this X amount of money. And like my boy Presty, shout out Presty. I didn't have that money at the time. Pulled up with it all in hand. Straight cash, how many? Straight cash. Straight cash. Love. Love. And then the day before. So that was the best thing he's ever done, and it was the dumbest thing you've ever done. Yeah. And then I switched around. I gave him um, I mean, I returned all the money right before he went to uh some like concert or some shit. He was so lit on it.

Wow. Um, but uh that could be the dumbest thing. I mean, there's so many. That's a good one. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, No, no, no, no. My parents will not if I don't tell this, like if they watch this, they probably will because they love their song. They have to. They have to. Yeah. Um they will, they will, they will want me to tell this one. Okay. All right. So I'm in Orlando, Florida. I'm in high school. Okay, I'm I'm really I'm I was super stoned at the time. And I'm like, all right, I need to go out and like I could get some food, I guess, or some shit. I don't know. sounds about right. I get to the car. That's what you do when you get to the car. So our mailbox. Uh oh. Was like an old let's see where this is going from. Um it's it's just like it was brick, you know. Okay. And it was just like an old brick, you know, it was an old house. Um, and yeah, basically, I didn't get in that bitch, and I'm like, lit on life, and I'm just like boom, boom. smacked it. I mean, shattered that shit, bro.

Shattered it. Gonzo. Crazy. The mailbox and the car. Um, yeah, the car was fucked, dude. Jesus. Um, yeah, that was probably the dumbest thing I've ever done. Um that works. Yeah. I was, I don't know. Me and my brother were some bad kids for sure. You gotta, you know. Just pretend like those are the only ones. You don't have to keep going. That makes you sound. You're making it worse. Yeah. He's like, well, I have a laundry. I don't care. I don't care. I like telling that stuff. That thing that's like, I think it's funny kids stuff. I think other kids are like, I don't want to tell them, like, bruh, I think this shit's hilarious. Exactly, exactly. I could picture that. If some kid told me that today, I'd be like, bruh, that's fucking hilarious. Yeah, that's why it's on the rapid fire rampage. There we go. Last one of the short answers. If you could manage anybody dead or alive, who would it be? Oh fuck. We got one. We stumped him. This is a good one. Thank God. He couldn't be flawless.

Lil Snoop. When I told you, like, I was like, my brother was like always the tastemaker. Well, my high school, I brought me and my boy Phil Court brought Lil Snoop to my high school. That's crazy. Everybody went crazy. Nice. Um, along with a bunch of other shit. But yeah, that was like my one. I would definitely manage him. He was like gonna be Shout out Lil Snoop. He was gonna be the one. He was gonna be the one. R.I.P. Speaker knockers too. Right. Speaker knockers. South Carolina. RIP as well. Indeed. Okay, moving on to the this or that portion of the rapid fire rampage. I'm gonna give you two choices. Just pick one of them off the top of your head. Here we go. Rampage. EDM or hip hop? Hip hop. Drums or flats? Drums. Shower or bath. Oh, wait. You were talking drums and flats like wings. Flats. Good call, good call. I thought you were talking about like 808s, like flat high or something. I was like, oh drums. I fucking love 808s. Flat 808s or in key. Well, what's the fucking A&R answer? You can't even remember that it's two wing choices.

All right, all right. Shower or bath. Shower. Shower. Weed or alcohol? Weed. Laptop or phone? Laptop. Phone. Phone. Phone's basically your laptops now. That's right. Phone's basically laptops now. That's right. Thanks, Steve Jobs. R.I.P. Stadium concert or outdoor festival. Outdoor festival. TV shows or movies. Movies. Artists or producers? producers. Yeah, we're calling someone out right now. You could pass. No producers. Is that just because we have a producer? No, no, they know that. Producers know that. My artists know that. Everybody who I work with know that. I love producers. We manage producers. Here we go. Beach house or mountain cabin. Beach house. YouTube or podcasts. YouTube podcast. That was Ben's answer.

That was my answer. Great answer. Day or night? Night. AR managing. Managing. What a part two of the rampage. He's doing great. He is. Really impressed. Actually killing it. Last part of the Rapid Fire Rampage. It's going to be the word association. I'm going to give you one word. Give me the first word back off the top of your head. Here we go. Rampage! Dub. Stub. Video games. What? That works. Anxiety. Attack. Fashion. Nova. This is not a sponsored episode. We wish it was. Hell no. Sports. Cast. Bitcoin. Lover. Guitar. Sinner. Atlanta.

Hawks. Wow. Ice traded gang. I think this is subliminally. Bass. Head. That's what I thought was coming. Salad. Dressing. Samples. Me. Sample of me. It's kind of kinky. Government. Narcs. Oh. Risley V V. This is the goat. What a rampage. What a rampage. What an episode. This has been Jack Mumford. Manager Extraordinaire. Head of AR at Chaos Club. Up to big things, man. We really love. I appreciate you guys. Yeah, we really love having you on, helping tell your story. Appreciate you.

You're just getting started. Things are really starting to I'm coming back. yeah. Let's do episode. I I don't know. I want to do a special one. Can we do a 69? Do you wanna be on the hundredth? Ooh. Yeah, that's a good one. We should do because you should do that'll give you 84 weeks to make some really crazy shit happen. That's happening. Okay, it's about to happen in the middle. And it's done. There it is. Um episode 100 coming up soon. Jackson Mumford. Hey, no, no, no. All I was gonna say is like if you get someone more of the team on, what would be a really great podcast? The whole team We'd get a setup and like get like me and Jamie and DA Done. Like, you know, that interaction would be fucking hilarious. Hilarious. We'd we'd love to make it happen. Let's do it. Team, we'd love to have you on the podcast. This has been another episode of the One More Time Podcast. We're here every week, every Thursday. Can't get rid of me and Henry. Sorry about that. What happened? until next week, Henry, what are we doing? We're out of here. We out. Peace. Peace. Outty. Outty. Outty.