Why Work Ethic MORE Important Than Talent in Music ft. Keenon Rush

You know how producers be like, oh, when you did that, I like that. You know what I'm saying? They're hearing real nuanced, layered sounds in the beat, right? And it's like, okay. They'll miss the overall picture. Yeah, I appreciate that. Then you got people that just common listeners. The one more time music podcast. Genuine conversations with genuine people about music. Hosted by Henry with a three and playback Ben. We're from Bemo Coops to Pants off. Hey, Part one more time. Here we are, episode number two of the One More Time Music Podcast. What's going on, ladies and gentlemen? I am your host, Playback Ben, here with my co-host. Henry with a three, because Henry with an E was already taken. And Henry, who do we have on the podcast today? This guy. Wait, I thought he was your friend. I don't know. him. Oh, I have absolutely Yeah. Today we have Mr. Kenan rush. What's going on?

Uh Keenan, appreciate you coming on the podcast today. Um, collaborator of Henry's uh friend of mine, uh fan of his, uh, I am, so appreciate you coming out today. Um the pronouns for the yeah, yep. For for the for the people that don't know who you are, uh tell them who you are and where you're from. Yeah, so like they said, my name's Keenan Rush. Um, just from Atlanta, Georgia. Georgia. I've been a few places, as I guess you could say I would call home, but Atlanta is definitely the home base for me. Uh what part of the city are you from? I'm from Decatur, Georgia. Where it's greater, you know what I'm talking about? Um you mean the deck? The deck, like for real, for real. Like DeKalb County School Systems, Decatur, Candler Road. Shout out to DeKalb County School Systems. Yeah, shout out all the DeKalb County teachers who uh, you know, held it down in that little test scoring uh operation back in like what 1999 or something like that. Yeah, it was in their filling in test scores for the youth, man.

No child left behind. That's right. Shout out Bush. Little known fact. So my mom's a DeKalb County school teacher, so she appreciates the support. She's Like, hey, at least they know what we went through. She she started in 2000, I think. So it was right after that. So uh we're I I'm a product of DeKalb County schools myself, so for better or for worse. All three of us. Um, but yeah, so I I always like to ask the question when did you, you know, first start doing music in any capacity, right? So we've had people say when I was four, I had a toy drum set, right? Like when did you actually at all start doing music or performing or or any sort of you know dabbling in in music? Yeah, so uh for me, man, I grew up in church. Um very integral part of my upbringing. And um, so like I guess my grandma would tell the story that like we and I say that like me, my younger brother and my older cousin who's kind of like a sister to me. So it was like we're all close knit in age, and she said that we wanted to get up and sing in church.

Like that was something that we were asking her to do, which you know the jury's still out on that one, but whether it is true or not, we ended up like performing because I'm talking about we were as young as four, five, and six. And so you tell me some memories of your like biggest decisions at age four, and I'd be like, wow, right. I need some of that, I need some of that stuff because it's a little blurry. But I do remember definitely like rehearsing, being at church. We not only performed at my church, we went to different churches in the Greater Atlanta area. So if it was like a press, not a president, like a pastor's anniversary. I was like, whoa. Right. You were chosen to perform for the president at age four? Clinton specifically requested. At your church. Real Michael Jackson trajectory. Yeah. This kid was born to be a star. He was going places. Right. But no, like, you know, pastors' anniversaries, women in white day or Easter Sunday, or like different revivals. We was out there, like touring the Chitlin circuit of sorts.

So were you in like a youth choir or like what? Were you in like a band? Cause I because we've had another guest who was in a church band. So it's funny that you said that your first exposure to music was was being in the church too. So were you in the choir or the band or what? The church was small, and so we didn't like the the congregation was the choir, but we were, I think, a separate entity. Like we went by the name the Babes in Christ. Wow. Rose off the tongue, right? Not bad. Yeah, I was like, that sounds like a you know charting artist. Yeah, I feel like I need to make some merch just for like to honor that. I actually had a like a rap name too. Okay. I'm capping on that one. I was gonna make up something, I'm like, let me not even do that. But the babes in Christ. So just imagine, you know, you go to this big Baptist church, it's like everybody in there from seat to seat. Like, I don't know what the well, you know what, people still going to church in high numbers, but I just have this fond memory of Atlanta churches back then. Like, you know, definitely gonna get some chicken in the church kitchen after service type energy.

And you know, I'm sitting there like, I'm paying attention, but I'm like, I don't know. Something about pastors' voices when I was young, like they're so charismatic that it wasn't making me focus. It was lulling me to sleep. I'm like, yo, this dude, like, he's saying something, but I'm just fighting sleep with all of my might. But then, you know, we would come up, we would we would perform our songs, and like I say then, I not only because I was listening to music around my house with the fam, but like I was out here a young kid. I say something, I ain't even saying it on key, I'm just saying something. And the whole like, yeah, wow, this is powerful, you know what I'm saying? And so from there, yeah, I just started tapping in really like intentionally at an early age, trying to make stuff, trying to play the instruments and all that. Yeah, and you mentioned performing. You also had a performing career in in middle school, correct? Um, yeah. I think What do you mean like just music-wise, or yeah, I just heard through the grapevine that you were a uh you know, a big performer at your school and you know, in middle school. No, no, yeah, like anytime I would say middle school, elementary school, anytime there was a Christmas play or Thanksgiving, like I know we he's not the the greatest character to mention, you know, in your your like uh your speech about your youth, but like R.

Kelly made all the graduation songs growing up, you know what I'm saying? I believe I can fly, I am a mountain, I'm a small tree. Yep. I was performing those songs at graduation, like fifth grade, I guess they called it commencement or something, performing something there. And then yeah, is that just a fancy word for graduation? yeah, we're graduating. Can you just call it graduation? Stop confusing us with, Is this a different event? Bro, for real. Are we supposed to wear something different? What people were definitely shaming us. I was like, yo, yeah, I'm graduating, you know everybody go to middle school. No, but you're commencing. You're commencing, son. please. I think graduating is more of like it's kind of like a has a finality to it. Like you're done. when you graduate, you might be done. Commencement's like, well, there's something else going on next. Yeah, you got another step. That's funny. So so outside of you know, music and performing and being involved in church, what else were you, you know, into growing up? Um growing up, like I I was really I felt like I had this chip on my shoulder where I just wanted to do everything that I enjoyed, you know. Like I now that I think about it, when you were talking about performing in middle school, like I know we had we had some like programs where I would you know rap.

Just make I was making Christian raps then because I was it was a Christian private school. Um I ain't gonna lie, that song was hard. Like, you know, I probably can we can we find it anywhere on streaming? It's probably on my MySpace. No, I don't know where we where we would even find that. You'd probably have to like blow the dust off of a desktop from 2002 to find that. joint. Have to hack into an old MySpace account. Yeah, it's on a local church server somewhere sitting as a I do remember the lyrics said ducking and dodging these spiritual bullets, busting them back, trying to get where I'm looking. Damn. It's a bar. Yeah, it's a bar. But yeah, bro. It was like I just wanted to do everything, man. Uh and I enjoyed playing sport. So baseball was the first sport I really started playing, and then I just got the bug, football, basketball. Um, I was really into drawing, like cartoons and making comics, and my brother would do that often. And like Dragon Ball Z.

I was never I didn't graduate into anime full-fledged, but like Digimon and Dragon Ball Z, that's where I really got my ability to draw, just trying to draw what I saw. And um, yeah, that was a cool thing that I really tapped into growing up. Um, but besides that, it was just like uh, I don't know, normal kid, man, just outside trying to walk, trying to get permission to walk to the you know gas station or leave my block. That was normal back in the day. These days being outside is not that normal anymore. Exactly. And my I remember being young, like, and my folks being like, Y'all just in and out the door. I remember when we was young, we was always outdoors, and now I'm thinking about it like I was always outside, you know. But we had video games, so I guess that was different from their generations, you know. Yeah, so this guy's super humble, right? He was super good at sports. He's like, he's a completely skirting the question of, like, yeah. I'm like, what were you into?

He's like, I mean, I really was into everything. Like sports was like third on his list, like drawing came up. Did you go to drawing school for high school and college? No, I don't think yeah. So let's let's get to the sports part of your life, right? Because it was it was a huge part of your life from what I know. Yeah, um so you know, going into high school, you went to high school for sports, right? I mean, that was well, it's interesting because like growing up, um, like when I was actually at that school, the McCallie school, that was uh I guess a common misunderstanding. Um, and it gets deep, not like crazy deep, but these schools, so Macaulay's a great institution for higher learning and they have resources, right? And they're playing in a certain district of sports. So I didn't like when I got there, you know, just like every other kid, I was trying out for stuff. And I just happened to be well rounded, and I think that's what they were looking for, ideally, but they have this rule within the TIAA or whatever the Tennessee you know high school association of Sports is. And it was like, all right, if you get a full scholarship to a school, you can't play varsity sports.

So it's like, you know, that that negates a full scholarship for an athlete at that point. It's like, you know, you have to have earned something. So I was actually there for a presidential like academic scholarship. See, I literally thought everyone that went to this school, because it's not here in Atlanta. Right. It's a fire school. It's in Tennessee, Chattanooga. For those that don't know, it's a a boarding school. Right. And I literally have played them in sports, right? Growing up. And I thought everyone went there because of sports. Because they're so good, right? Yeah, well, I thought it was a sports school. Like quite literally. That's why I didn't even know people went there for other reasons. I didn't even know that it was a yo, that school's got an interesting history. So it's a private like you might have played Baylor too, right? Uh I just remember Macaulay. Well, yeah. Yeah, always playing McCallie. Coming down from Chattanooga. Those two schools started back in like 1905. I think Baylor started in 1897. And so, you know, if you think about it, they started in 1905. The next biggest thing coming up is World War One.

And then it's just war is like a motherfucker. So I don't know if I could be cussing like this, but like it's just like We do not allow any fucking cussing on this fucking podcast. If you fucking cuss one more time, we're gonna not air this episode. We're gonna have to redo this shit. Yeah, I can't I can't open up these wounds too many times on camera now. Yeah, so what was that like being from Decatur, you know, East Atlanta? I mean, was that a culture shock for you? Did you fit right in? Like Well, yeah, I think it was like it's always gonna be culture shocks just living in these different commo communities. But um, but um I don't know. The school I went to before that, I think, and then just my parents in general, they were always trying to like keep us as these savvy kids, you know. Like they didn't, I didn't grow up where it's like, well, I don't know. I guess when it really got X rated, I had to go. Like, you know, my pops say something like, Hey, catch up. you know, and they would just be like, all right, cool. Like, I know at this point I probably shouldn't see this. But like, but anything catch out was like his.

He was like, get the fuck out. You know what I'm saying? Like, but politely, I don't want to blow your spot up, son, little man, but it's really time for you to go now. But like, we was watching, you know, stand-up comedy. We was watching uh Dave Chappelle. Shout out Dave Chappelle. You know what I'm talking about? Sandwiches, man. I need some sandwiches. People are gonna think that that was an ad lib. It might, it could be it should be an ad lib. You can make it an ad-lib. let's get a clean one. Don't nobody say anything. Sandwiches, man. I need some sandwiches. Perfect. I'll cut that up. Yeah, we're gonna use that. But yeah, I was watching that stuff. Austin Powers, all that, like, and I mean, just from the music to film to conversations, you know, like I didn't like I I know people who are parents, and I just grew up around people who are very like, I'm not gonna curse in front of you guys, type energy. That wasn't me. But I think that just it made me comfortable talking to adults, one, and then it made me comfortable just talking to people that I didn't know like that, you know what I'm saying? And so that mixed in with my school, they it was a private school, but it was very much in the early stages, so it was still a lot of donor like accumulation and trying to really get people to be on the board.

So me being one of the kids that go to school, they're like, yo, Kenan, tell us what you got going on, you know. It's like so we we get a little coached up, you know, to to be able to communicate certain things, but after a while, it's like, yeah, like I do this, you know. But same time, you can know how to talk people every day of the week, but when like your friends are getting G-Wagon bins at their first car, it's like, oh, oh, so it's different. Like you, yeah, you didn't get any presidential scholarship money. You paying all 34,000. Right. Sheesh. And you had that bins. Out of pocket. Right. And it's like, oh, okay, it's different. Things are a little different. But then same time, you know, just to show some duality, it's not like all pros versus my cons, you know. I had people who had resources out to ask, but like at any given moment, it's ready to just urgh, my dad, fucker, you know. I'm just like I'm like, okay, bro. chill. He's a heart surgeon. Like, you know.

And so you played sports at Macaulay. How would you say sports are similar to music? And I guess what would you say the biggest different differences are? Did you take anything away from sports that helps you with music today? True. I mean, I think the biggest thing that draws them, I don't know if there's similarities, but you listen to music before playing a sport. Like in most cases. You know what I'm saying? Wow. And it's like that's not where I was going with that question, but that's a great observation. You know what I'm saying? So it's like that's more how they're related, right? Which is a huge like Yeah, yeah, that's definitely a good way to think about it. Cause I think around the time where I started to just really hone in on football or hone in on just being a a superior athlete in c high school, I just I started moving away from like, you know, like I said, in middle school, I'm being in the Christmas play or I'm being in the musical or I'm just being a part of I'm in band. And I I don't want to blame one person, but I do remember a point in like seventh grade where like I was playing baritone and trombone, and I'll get back to the actual question.

I was playing baritone and trombone, and I was really enjoying it. I had already been playing trumpet from like fifth grade to sixth grade. So I was just trying to. I'm an alto sax guy myself. You know what I'm saying? You should have hopped in. So y'all don't even know. We got the neighborhood black band coming. And uh you're gonna be in it now. Well, I just signed myself up. You know what I'm saying? We and when we play music, people like bullets get shot. Are you just trying to tee him up for every sound effect that he has on the board? I'm loving the alley-oops. That's what I'm saying. We got chemistry right here, you know what I'm saying? That's great. But um, yeah, I just had I had a teacher, like I was trying out for football, and I had a teacher who um she was holding like these exams of some sorts after school because I guess you know, she was listening to one person at a time playing these different things. She might have needed more time, who knows? But I had practice, I was trying out for the football team, and she gave me this whole like, you know, you can be anything. I'm like, I do I already know, I'm trying to be everything, you know what I'm saying?

But she was like, You're either gonna go to try out football or you're gonna come to do this. I was like, all right, well, I'll see you uh when I see you know what I'm saying. And I just started like I think trying to just focus my energy on certain things. Um I was always making beats in high school, but I wasn't as focused on that being something that like I needed people to know me by, or you know, just to to give me merit for. And I um I don't regret it, but it was just part of that story. But like my experiences with music, you know, it's like if I'm warming up for a basketball game and I got the headphones, everybody, you know, you hooped. Everybody wanted to have like some dope warm-up music or be in a locker room listening to we be steady mobbing. Everybody was listening to that song. You know what I'm saying? That song was on repeat. No, like I mean, you almost judged a team by their warmup tape. Right.

Like straight up when you would go to an away game and you were, you know, traveling to the other school, it was like, please God, like get give me some good warm-up music, right? Because it I mean, that can like totally kill your vibe warming up. That can get you in the right mindset. So yeah, no, I I never thought about how interconnected music and sports are from like a preparation and getting in the zone perspective, right? Because like I'm sure golfers and tennis players don't vibe out to the same types of music necessarily. And I'm completely generalizing right now, but I just think that there's a certain mindset you want to get in, right? When you're gonna play like maybe those types of sports, you want to be in the calm, kind of zen-like state versus you know, football. You're probably not gonna be listening to you know smooth jazz before you go, you know, exactly start as a linebacker for the you know. for the Macaulay. I went to Tucker High, and for us it was Nuck If You Buck. Oh, of course. Every time that was that was a classic warm-up tape record. Boom. I was in a uh lounge last night, and I feel like Knuck if you buck was playing, and then a fight broke out. it probably wasn't Knuck If You Buck. That

sounds like some Atlanta shit. Right. Yeah, it probably wasn't Knuck If You Buck, but I will say nothing close or even remotely to Knuck If You Buck came on after the fight broke out. Yeah, they switched it up after that. It was like Marty, I'm Marty. They calmed it down. So after Macaulay, you head to Wake Forest University, Winston Salem. Shout out Wake Forest. Um, where you meet your now manager uh Dev. Shout out, Dev. Um Dev Dev told me a uh, you know, a couple stories. So you mentioned that you produced a little bit in high school, right? Yeah. What does the strain Blue Dream mean to you? Blue Dream. Blue Dream was definitely a popular strain. You know, I I went through a time period in college where Wiz, Khalifa, and Juicy J could do no wrong. And they probably still couldn't. I still am in that phase.

I think. You know what I'm saying? They probably still couldn't. 2021. At least musically, you know, we gotta have some accountability. But at least musically, I'm like, oh yeah, I rock with it, you know. Okay, we rapping over the classical, you know, no bass, no drums, no nothing. But nah, so like we was listening to that, and that's when I was like also just getting back into it. I just made a decision to say, okay, look, I'm making beats, or I'm just, you know, I'm going to make music, you know. I'm still playing football, I'm still pursuing certain things within this university, but this is important. And I came across this one sample from some like old time song. Like, I think we I think I found it, but it's just that in that moment in time, and it was like me and all my closest friends had a house on campus, and I was like, slick. I mean, I shout out my homies because it might be obnoxious, but I was playing my beats at all times. Like, yo, this right. It's like I'm I'm going to bed, bro. Right.

But I know, but but this one though, right? And so this beat, I played that, and everybody was like, Oh, yeah, bro, you can sign tomorrow. Like, this is this is the one. This is it. No, no vocals put down yet. I don't even think I sequenced the beat out yet. It was just a fire ass loop. Blue dream, dream, dream. Bro, that was one of the happiest times of my life, bro. I was like, Yeah, it is music shit. You guys probably streamed that beat, or I guess it wouldn't even be called streaming, sorry, but you listen to that beat probably what? Hundreds, thousands. Bro, it'll be like we would throw house parties, and you know, everybody loves a little bit. Just blue dream on repeat. Not even. It was like this level of exclusivity, you know, in not being in the living room of the house parties. Like, I'm gonna go, we going to my room, or we going upstairs and shit. So we in my room. I always found myself in the kitchen. Right. People definitely congregate in there.

Was the spot. Somebody I had a roommate who would always like cook burgers or something before a party, too. So, you know, somebody in there just vibing. It was just like little sex of the house. Yeah. Man, I don't care what was going on out there. At some point in the night, it's probably gonna be 10 people in my room in this house. I'm like, yeah, so what y'all think about that one. And I'll probably queue up Blue Dream toward the end just to like. So what kind of feedback were you getting at the time? Oh, you know, I mean, or was everyone just partying so they pretended like they liked it if they didn't? You know, like common music listeners, as we all probably know at this point, are either gonna say like two things. They either gonna say, Oh, I fought with this, like it's hard, which means they like it, or they're gonna be like, Who made the beat? That means they don't like it at all. You know what I'm saying? They just like okay, who made the beat, bro? And if someone says that to you, just know they're like I don't have the facilities to explain what needs to happen, but I'm not rocking with this.

Yeah, so did you answer honestly when they asked who made the beat? Well, let me or did you tell them it was someone else? I mean in the YouTube beat. Right. At certain times in my life, I think, you know, I was making all my beats, so it was like it was a win-win if someone ever said that. But this is just I'm not even trying to like toot my own horn, but this is just what I've seen in the music space, you know what I'm saying? And I every song I made is not the dopest. So, you know, you might play two or three songs with somebody and they're like, yeah, I'm rocking with that, keep going. Play the next one. And now they're talking about the beat all of a sudden. Who made the beat? It's like, oh, okay. So the first two you was fucking with, but you want to know who made the beat on this one. You don't want to know who made the beat on the first two. But you like those songs. How much importance would you say you you put on like feedback from people that you're close to? Is that something that carries a lot of weight, a little weight, no weight? I I think I I like all of it is important, but they are measured differently, I think. You know, some people that's all you might you like an AR or your manager or someone who produces, you know, they might tell you they like something and then start talking about like, you know how producers be like, oh, when you did that, I like that.

You know what I'm saying? They're hearing real nuanced layered sounds in the beat, right? And it's like okay. Yeah, like I appreciate that. Then you got people that just common listeners, and the fact that they like start maybe doing a TikTok dance tour, or you know, they might do like a hand gesture that you've seen them do when they rocking with something, you know what I'm saying? So I just try to I try to curate a team of people to to really AR a record. That's a song, that's like terminology that I've been using a lot lately. It's like, we're going to make sure this record is dope. You know, I'm not asking you for feedback, you're invested in it. Like we heard the beat or we heard the first four bars of this freestyle, and be like, I see the trajectory of it. Like, and I'm I'm gonna see it to finish. You know what I'm saying? One more time. I think one more time. You have activated one more time. One more time. One more time. So on this podcast, whenever we feel like a guest has dropped a gem, we drop the one more time. And we just need you to summarize that up one more time for the people in the back that didn't get it the first time, let them know.

That's real though, because you should definitely highlight the one more time. Cause I feel like a lot of times people hit the whoop-de-whoop. I could get in here like, yo, I just got in there, like I really just started rapping, like, like now. I ain't even made that beat then. I made it in the future, metaphysically. Type whoop-de-whoop ass stuff, bro. I'm like, bro, just tell people you worked at this, you know. Give it, like, give somebody something. Right. It's like, damn. But yeah, so like I what I what I was saying was like I curate the people around me, or just like be very receptive to people who you who you can tell really like want to develop records. And like for me personally, as an artist, I want to do that, but it doesn't always mean I need to be the one who's rapping every lyric, who's even on the song, who did any credit on it. Like Henry was saying, you know, I thought a lob, you know, for the for the ad libs on the on the actual sound machine, but you gotta have people in the room that's ready to do that, you know. Throw a lob, like, yo, I feel like that's when you say you see the whole picture, you know, when someone's saying, like, I like that one sound, and then they say, Oh, you know, it would be dope.

Or it's like after we we bounced that one time, like, yeah, send me that now. Cause I'm finna ride around listening to it, and I'm gonna come back, like, yeah. Yeah, you know, it's it's dope, but like that second verse really wasn't, you know what I'm saying? So really really invest in people who want to invest in the trajectory of a record who can see the potential, who want to AR record, you know, and who will hear it in different ways. Yeah, I was gonna say that that's the craziest part of what you said. I think as far as like not you know, undermining or I guess underappreciating the very technical feedback that an engineer might give you, a producer might give you AR by trade might give you, right? But like at the end of the day, the common listener is who's gonna make or break your career. I mean, you can have a bunch of ARs and mix engineers hate your shit, but if the common listener, you know, fucks with it, then you're good. That's probably a better story to tell than the opposite, right? But I think that inevitably they do music for their profession for a reason.

So their their feedback is valuable, but to not just put all the weight in one category, I think that's like I I think people probably do that in some way, but actually being like intentional about it and like curating a group of people that can help you weigh in on every record. I think that's like that's a really good strategy. Underrated for sure, worthy of the first one more time activation. Yeah, definitely, man. So oh, go ahead. No, I was just gonna say people, man. Yeah, so at that time you were primarily making beats. Obviously, you know, fast forward, you're now I would say primarily an artist. I'm not saying that you don't like to be involved in the production side of things, but at that time, did you want to be a superstar producer? Um, I think was that your goal? I think I was just starting at square one, like I'm very, oh, you don't want to do this with me or for me, or I don't have enough money for this. All right, cool, I'm gonna just learn how to do it, you know. It's just wild because most people start out as artists, realize they can't do it.

I would say the opposite is usually truer. Right from my experience, it's like someone's an artist, they want to be a rapper, and they're like, Well shit. I can't do that. I can't rap. I now I'm just gonna like try and be behind the scenes and still be, and I'm not saying that like producing's easier than artistry or any, you know, either or, right? It's just more they typically want to be the you know, front and center, right? There's not as many people I would say that started off more so making beats that then wanted to step out into the limelight, if you will, right? He was trying to solve a problem. He needed to beat, so he said I'm gonna learn how to make beats. He's problem solver. And it was just like I need to feel something when I'm making this before I can really start writing to it. And then I was very like, I'm a writer, like I'm going to listen to this beat today and start writing and then listen to it again, which is very romantic and everything. I'm not like that now.

And um, I guess we could talk about that at some point. But yeah, so when I was making beats, it was it was slick like that now too. I think the more you do stuff, and I was talking with a colleague of mine about this, the more you do stuff, the more you're afraid to fail. Like in very clear terms, if you had ten thousand dollars to spend on a project and you did it five times, that sixth or that tenth time, you wouldn't be as nervous to be like, yeah, I'm gonna spend two fifty on this. You're just like, you know, I've done it enough. Or you know, like when you're making a beat, as soon as you hear that I don't like that part of it, you're just like, okay, keep going. This what what do I need to do? Because I think early on in the beat making process, you just listening, damn, they're trying to make the shit sound good with just how you're listening to it. It's like, no, that's trash. Start you just start doing something else, like immediately, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And so you just get that, you you get those chops.

And um, I think once I started getting to a point where I was making beats I wanted to rap on, um, I started to grow through that with writing as well. But yeah, for the for the most part, I enjoyed and very much appreciated um and was inspired by artists who produced. So by the time I first started making beats, Cole wasn't in the picture, but Kanye for sure. Kanye. Um, and I think like he was really the only one at that time that I knew that was doing it to that level. Um, I want to say Jermaine Dupri, but like everyone who was producing weren't artists, artists. Yeah. Like Puff. Yeah, like Lil Jon, Puff Daddy, yeah, Juicy J. Yeah, at the time they were just like, I made this beat and I'm on it with my dudes. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. But Kanye came in, like, no, this is my song, and I produced it. Yeah. And I engineered it. He definitely took it to another level, you know.

And so I was like, Yeah, I like that. You know, I'm gonna do it that way. And so at that point, are you Keenan Rush? No, I'm some corny ass shit. I think we have to talk about that. Right. Yeah. I guess because I I know what your first rap name was, but I'm I'm just curious as to if you're gonna be the one to divulge it. So, like when it goes back to middle school. My first, like I think some of them young ones, I was like, King Trill. And King Trill. Right. And so you think about the term trill. Yeah. Trill. That's how you you dating yourself by using that word. That's some crime. Trill Was such a wave. It was a moment. It came and it went. Yeah. Like you back, you getting that's before Crunk, damn near, you know. Yeah. It's like that was that was like three, six mafia. All my Trill. Like, you know, some cut. Yeah. Trillville. Exactly. It's Trillville. Little scrappy.

That was incredible. And I'm King Trill. Yeah, you're claiming to be the top of that movement. As you see, the king phrase was just always in it. I think he just one-upped the first rap name that I knew. I don't think anyone, I don't think anyone knew that one. Which which one are you talking about? I'm talking about Killverse. See, exactly. And it's just like I'm not sure which one's cornier, though. King Trill or Killverse. Killverse. It's Killverse because you kill verses. Yeah, and I'm like, why did I feel the need to communicate that? Like, oh, okay. Someone's gonna believe you that you're good at Oh, Killverse? Okay. rapping because you kill verses in your name's Killverse. I do like it better than King Trill, though. It's not bad. King Trill, Killverse. And at some point I was going by KT. And so the King Trill, like KT. Yeah, my middle name starts with a T. Okay, well, and uh that gives a little more context than King Trill. Right. So I was just trying to like make something cool out of that. Um, but then I just started going by KT because um, like I was in a rap group of sorts.

My my homie was jump fresh J. Shout out Jump Fresh J. Jay. Man, I'm trying to remember everybody else, but I feel like I don't know. Back then, people's rap names were like psycho Montana, yeah. Yeah, but Jump Fresh J is like a 90s rap name, yeah, it's incredible. That's like, you know, he's always a fresh ass nigga too, man. Like, he's still getting to it. I just saw him. Shout out JFJ, you know what I'm saying? Let's do a record, bro. Let's do one. If you're out there, JFJ. If you ever listen to this, we'd love to have you on the podcast. I know you're gonna see this on YouTube, bro. Let's make a record for the one time. So you become Keenan Rush, you move back to Atlanta after school at some point. I know you do a little pit stop in in Charlotte, right? And then you made your way back to Atlanta. Yeah, yeah. Charlotte was a cool vibe. I was really yeah, how long were you there? Probably like two years. Okay. So longer than a pit stop, but uh I mean, in the grand scheme, yeah, I guess it was really a year and a half, I would say. Yeah, and so you make your way back to Atlanta.

You doing music, you know, intentionally at this point, like working on your artistry, coming out with projects. Like, are you Keenan Rush at that point when you moved back to Atlanta? Or yeah, yeah. Yeah, definitely just started to say, you know, there there is no character being made here. I'm I'm communicating everything through the music, and this is my name. And I mean, moving back to Atlanta was symbolic because it was like I'm from here. Like, why? You know, moment of transparency. I was like, yo, I could be a Charlotte and just help pioneer this Charlotte scene. As we see now, they need no help with that. I was like, Charlotte has got a bubbling scene now. For sure. But you know, shout out to that. I was definitely around for some of those guys early uh stages and like not a part of their teams, but I I was seeing what they were doing. So um, but I was just like, yeah, I'm from Atlanta. Let me get back to where I'm from. It's cool to be from there, and people are going there for music. Where does the rush come from?

The rush, uh, that's my last name. Oh, yeah. So that is your name. Yeah, see, I love that. Yeah, that's dope. You know, especially for an artist like you that is so true to themselves as far as like what their artist brand is and what their actual personal brand is. I mean, I think that's that's perfect, right? I mean, some people do want to communicate something that I'm not saying is at all not who they are, right? But it's not rooted so deeply in the actual person that they are. So that's beautiful. For Sure. I've been thinking about that, you know, just I mean, in this world, in this business, like a persona is advantageous to have. Like it's something that you can slick detach from and say, like, this is what I have to make for this like client or consumer base. Give them that one. One more time. One more time. One more time. Yeah, I mean, like I said again, you know, in the art in the music business, it is a little advantageous to have like a persona that you can like really detach your personal self from. Can't turn it on, turn it off. Yeah, you know, it's just like um, like for instance, Puff

Daddy, you know what I'm saying? P. Diddy, Diddy, like those those name changes were symbolic to something in his brand, you know. what I'm saying? Jay-Hova, Jigga, you know, is is something there. Um, but with that being said, me going by my name, I think naturally certain things started to manifest. And um, I appreciate it because I think it's cool. Like, that's a very cool thing about hip hop that I'm like not too proud to be like, yo, I like this growing up and I I want to embody a part of it. You also got lucky that you had a cool name. Bro, for real. Because if I was Henry Schultz or Ben McTeer, not as cool as Keenan Rush. Yo, what's good. Orlando, I thank y'all for coming out. I go by the name of Ben McTeer. Follow me on Instagram. You're making it sound so cringy at this point. Nah, I'm putting a little sauce on it. Nah, for sure. Making it sound as good as possible. Follow me on Instagram.

At Ben McTeer. So how many projects do you have out now? I guess, you know, EPs and albums. There's three out that I know are for sure, you know, mixtapes, paperwork. Yeah. Three EPs. I wanted to create a story. I wanted to create something that I fell into. Um, and I think one of the key examples would be like Wale, you know, where there's like the album about nothing, but things that came before that were like more about nothing or the mixtape about nothing, or something like that. Um it was because he's from DC, and so you know, DC people, slick DC people that I knew from college and dat Piff and Two Dope Boys. You know, that's where I was getting my recommendations. God, shout out Dat Piff and Two Dope Boys. That was 2012. LiveMixtapes. Two of the pioneers in breaking artists. I felt like LiveMixtapes was like The young kids were really, and I say the young kids, like people that were two years younger than us.

Right. Oh no, I don't know. Grow up. Get on Dat piff. Be a man. Be a man about this shit. He was sticking his nose up at the live mixtapes uh users. At that age, two years is like a big difference. Exactly. To be fair. But yeah, so your your first project, or at least I guess one of your first official EPs spare time. It's still up on SoundCloud today. Yeah, I feel like I need to remix and master that joint. Well, you might need to, and I think Henry might be able to help you with that. But something that I do. Check that joint out for sure, bro. But no, what I mean. So what I thought was cool is that a lot of artists, you know, you I mean, you seemed almost shocked that it was still up, like you forgot that it was up, right? And so a lot of artists wipe their old stuff, right? Especially if it's not something that they're like, you know, insanely proud of, or that just is older or whatever, right? What made the decision or like you know, what made you make the decision to leave it up? I guess like how do you feel about artists that do wipe their old material and kind of start from from scratch, you know, according to their perception, right?

Uh, in the world, you know. Do you do you think that's a good strategy? Indifferent? like, how do you feel about that? Um, I mean, strategy-wise, people gotta do. I've been talking with a few different people, artists, friends, uh between, like, you know, comparing and contrasting strategies, trajectories, life paths, all that people got to do what they feel like is gonna work until it works for them. You know, I you know, somebody tried to tell you something that works for you, and you got it together, like internally, and you're just like, bro, I don't I don't need that. I don't need you to tell me so, but at the same time, it's like um for me, I would say as a fan, I always try to like hold on tight to my fanhood because as an artist, as a person in the industry, you start to lose like the the stage is removed, you know. You see a release, and you're like, oh, okay, I see what they did there. That was that was cool. You know, you're not just like, yo, you see how he dropped that No one knew

he dropped that. It didn't even drop that in? It was like, people knew he was gonna drop that. Yeah, you know, when you at this point, yeah. And so I hold on to stuff like I'm scrambling or stumbling through YouTube for something, and and my suggested videos is a is a video of Kanye rapping at 19 in a shoe store. And I'm like, yo, that's that's dope, right? Look at young Kanye. I could tell he's gonna be fire, right there. Like, you know what I'm saying? So when I dropped them songs, I felt like they were fire. They might not be to the level of like production and I think you know, storytelling or sonics or whatever, but somebody's gonna hear my song in four years. The newest song that I dropped that is in a movie or you know, McDonald's cheeseburger sponsorship. Hell yeah. If I ever get that, H3 be like, bro, you've changed. Okay. I know they probably throw in the bag, but I don't want the happy meal sponsorship. Okay.

Travis Scott did a meal. I know, I'm just like, no disrespect, but uh shit. Can we get like some good food? You know what I'm saying? Let's not do it. Ruth's Chris sponsorship. Yeah, let's get the steak and shrimp sponsorship. But no, like for real, they're gonna hear that song, they're gonna have a moment, it might be the first time they heard something, and then they can hear something from 2012 from me. And you know, you're like, whoa, this man came a long way, you know what I'm saying? It might agree, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I mean, Henry I have a pretty strong opinion on this. Yeah, he's very much, you know, don't delete stuff, don't remove it, give people a glimpse into, you know, where you came from, right? It shows the journey. Yeah, it shows like you might not like it anymore, but you did at that point when you dropped it. I bet you liked it or you wouldn't have dropped it. Exactly. So it even if it's just for you, like not only are the super fans gonna be able to go back and digest it and really fall in love and see how far you've come, but you can go back and listen and be like, wow, yeah, I thought that was the greatest song in 2012, and now I dropped this song in 2021. It's so much better.

So I don't really see a downside in in leaving up stuff like that, you know. I think it's possibly rooted in insecurities. People just feel like I'm better than that now, but if they had a little, you know, humility and just you know, you're a person, right? That's cool. Like, yeah, and people won't people won't grade you. Well, I don't know what people are gonna do, but I'd like to think people won't grade you on you being better than this one thing you did. They're gonna grade you on consistently getting better. Imagine if a juice WRLD tape that came out that he made when he was 13 came out tomorrow. Right. People would go crazy. Crazy, crazy. So, you know, you talked about it. Before you do that, because I was yeah, like I was having this moment as a matter of fact, like Jack Harlow. Um, you know, crazy year, about to have another crazy year. And whether you like him or not, people have been hitting him with that. Oh, you know, he didn't do what people were supposed to do. Like he just kind of got on and now he's busting, he's buzzing.

That man has videos from like when he was 11, and like full-fledged videos, you know, not like huge budget. This is an 11-year-old making the video, and it's like, yeah, he put in his 10 years. Don't you can't take He did the work. Yeah. you can't say nothing about where he at right now. No overnight success is actually an overnight success. I mean, that just doesn't happen. I mean, and and I think that you know, this this goes to show, you know, what words would you think people would describe you with, right? Like if they were to describe Keenan Rush, like what what kind of words would they use? What kind of adjectives would they use? Wow, um or what which words would you hope they use? Right, I'm about to say that too. What I hope. Um I would say I would hope they would say genuine. Um, especially if they're basing it off my music. Um exceptional. And um I don't know why I feel like I need to give a third one, but that's just like it's always feel right to me. Honest. Honest and genuine are kind of the same.

Um I would say I would always I would say um either rebellious or yeah, rebellious. I'm gonna go with that. The and it's interesting, I I'm not sure if it's the you know humility that you have or what, but a lot of people have described you as hardworking. Your work ethic is through the roof. Your drive to actually make this music thing happen is second to none. So I I guess it's probably the you know, humble nature of you that didn't mention that. But I mean I I think that you know, how hard do you think work ethic play or I guess how much you think work ethic plays into the equation of success? in the industry? It's honestly something I had noticed about you first, uh one of the reasons we started working together. Real talk, I appreciate that. Um and I agree, you know. I feel like I I definitely like do that almost to a fault. But um I think What do you mean to a fault? You gotta be intentional with your work ethic and um yeah, it's more to life, you know.

I don't think we're supposed to be here all all day, all day and night, just working hard as a motherfucker, you know what I'm saying? So hard to turn it off. Yeah, Let's give them that one. Yeah. So it's like it's one thing to not have any work ethic, and then it's another thing to have only work ethic, and then it's another thing to have like peace. You know what I'm saying? Um intentional is a great word. Yeah, that's what I like. I I definitely try to be intentional with like, okay, I'm working, okay, I'm living, I'm loving, I'm doing what am I doing? You know what I'm saying? Um, but still like being like a little bit unhinged to just experience it all. Um, but but still, you know, I read a lot about people who are successful in the terms that we're talking about it. Um, and yeah, it's like success is not uh like a destination in the sense and that was about to it's about to get real corny, but like it's not a destination, it's a journey. And so with that being said, the work will never be done.

So like, yeah, it's like if you really want to make something work, because I'm starting to get a pretty good like experience or purview of what that looks like on the other side, you know, not necessarily saying, I mean, yeah, for me as an artist, but artists that I know or work with, and it's not gonna is especially if you're like really about to pop or you're really about to sustain some success, it's not about to get easier. You know what I'm saying? The stakes get higher, the logistics get more concrete. It's like, oh yeah, you want some press. No, you got press every morning this week. Right. And you need to confirm these lyrics, and you need to get ready for the podcast, and you got a session, you know what I'm saying? You want to do music type type ish. So that's when it comes into play where it's like, oh yeah, okay, I got it. I got everything I wanted. But I ain't seen my grandma in two weeks or something like that. Not that that would be that's just like something that I might say, you know. So it's like now you gotta be intentional about working hard, sustaining that, and be intentional about touching other areas in your life.

Balance. Yes, sir. And so you mentioned working with other artists. What kind of work are you doing? Um, so I feel like I I wear a creative director hat um when I'm not just being a pure rapper, I would say. And so, you know, like you said earlier, I I produce um beats, but now I'm producing videos. Um I'm working in social media and creative content uh direction for a record label in Atlanta called Reach Records. Shout out Reach Shout out Reach in the building. And uh yeah, and it's it's really afforded me the opportunity to rub elbows with people who are breaking careers, who are sustaining growth and really just like storytelling, because that's what we're doing, you know. Um I think even the hardest trap song where people like there's no story, there's no lyricism. Like, There's a story, it's just like maybe you're not connected with it on that level. You know, some people look at trap like it's trap music or street like it's street music, and some people just like that's music.

But when they when you play some other shit, they're like, oh, that's that type of music, you know what I'm saying? So really just being able to tell stories and stuff like that, and I'm I'm I'm enjoying it. It's definitely growing pains, but so what's a tactical takeaway that you've gotten from your job at Reach? Right, that you've maybe implemented with your own artistry or that you're planning on implementing, right? Because I'm sure you're learning a shit ton. For sure. Right. I mean, you're working with some pretty, you know, either A-list or stars in the making, right? So I'm I'm hoping that you're absorbing as much as you can, right? So what would be some tactical things that you have seen that you want to implement like right away? Right. It's really like a fire hydrant in that regard. If I can make a metaphor, just like as much information. Make the best metaphors. Yeah. Yeah. What are you talking about? Yeah. Like it. But yeah, like it's just an overflow of stuff. So I'm really just trying to like digest stuff, you know, not just feel it and be like, oh, that's dope, that's dope.

Um I'm talking to this person. But I would say one thing I would say from a tactical like point of view is um consistency on the like logistical side. And it's very key because you know staying in the studio is important, and staying staying working on your craft is important, but the craft now becomes like releasing, it becomes storytelling, like I'm saying, and it becomes like garnering relationships, where as we know in the industry, it's a very gatekeeper, like who you know is one thing, but do y'all know each other? You know what I'm saying? So, like, and you have to get better at doing that, and um there's one thing to know about it, or know that that's something to do, and then there's one thing to be like, yeah, this is my job. Every Tuesday, we're gonna talk about this, every Thursday. We're gonna be trying to do this every Wednesday, like we're going to be doing this, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, this is not just oh, I love music and I'm doing this shit, you know. It's like, do you have this today? You don't have it today? Oh, okay, cool. He doesn't have this today that we need to continue, you know, right, doing this cool shit that we know. Right. And that type of energy, like, it can get lost when you don't have the funds or you don't have like any wins. You're thinking like you're just looking for what's gonna work and keep doing that, but it's not gonna be one thing. So it's like once you start to find one thing, it's like, okay, let's make it modular. How can I continue doing this? Cool. I know I'm gonna continue doing this. This other thing that we're starting to feel, or this relationship has fostered something cool. I gotta talk to you in two weeks or a week or some some way, you know. It doesn't have to be a very transactional conversation, but we're gonna talk, you know. So, yeah, I think it's it's just being a better business person in the music industry. No, that's what I was gonna say.

It sounds like the successful people, I mean, they have to treat their artistry like the business that it is. Yeah, I mean, you can't miss meetings, right? The shit doesn't fly when you are, you know, an artist that has made it or is making it or what at some degree of success, right? I mean, uh that you just you'll burn every bridge that's out there, right? If if you don't make that, you know, interview at 9 a.m., if you don't make it to the session with the producer that was booked, you know, weeks ago, if you don't make it to the podcast, whatever, right? I mean, it's a a day-to-day operation. And if you treat it like the business that it is, I mean, that's something I I would for sure hope that you're you know trying to replicate, right? Yeah, and like y'all said, you know, someone told you and you felt it when you when you met me, the hard work, you know what I'm saying? Like that just makes the talent, you just start to get energy behind it, right? You know what I'm saying?

If I can't speak for y'all, because yeah, you could believe in someone and the record sound dope, but if every time we trying to help you or have a meeting, you're not there, or nobody from your team is there. Now it's just like the good music is literally the minimum. I'm like, yeah, like yo, bro, fuck your music, bro. Fuck your music. Give that one more time. One more time. Can we link? You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to help. You know what I'm saying? And in that that as an artist, I have to feel that, and artists have to feel that. Because, you know, I see a lot of artists, their main marketing is to passively aggressively demand that people listen to their songs. Yeah, that people close to them too. It's like you're not talking to anybody but people that you know. Yeah, yeah. And you're passively saying, yo, y'all ain't fucking with me enough. Yeah. Post my shit. Right, damn. That's a rollout for that ass. So what can we look forward to? What's coming up? What releases are on the roadmap? I'm excited, bro.

It's uh it's a lot of stuff. I think um the now, I think the motto for this year has been um give people who love my music, you know, not people who just support, like I appreciate it, no, no doubt. If you support me as an artist, and you I mean take support to me and whatever you think, but like people who love my music, I want to give them more music. I want to give them more content and empower them to say, like, y'all rock with this dude. You heard this, you heard this, you heard this, you heard this. And like, I'm getting to a point where I say, yo, hey, Siri, play Keenan Rush music. And I'm like, damn, head high. I remember that joint. You know what I'm saying? Like, and so I want I want to give people that. So we just dropped Long Live the King last fall. We just dropped Kingdom last month. And, yeah, H3, about to drop women and men. May the Fourth be with you on May 4th, 2021.

May the 4th be with you. But the truth is in between the lies. Gotta lose before you start a fly. And they say we cannot reach the sky. But women lying, men lying. Women lying, men lying. I think it's gonna be a really powerful record. Um, like just like we was talking about from a tactical point of view, from an AR point of view, in terms of like what we did with the record, had conversations about it, and then just the fun and the creativity we had in creating like the way we want to release and present it. So, you know, that's that. It'll probably be after May 4th when this is out. So y'all go stream. this shit. Women and men, Keenan Rush. speaking of passively, aggressively, uh Yeah, man. I just find it funny how motherfuckers get it. Why ain't y'all supporting our new record? Hey, but it cool though when I'm on. And that's another thing, like any amount of success that you get.

Like I have people who I have friends or associates from my past who have like gotten on and done whatever it is they want to do in their own right. And I mean, it's changed things for them, but you know, from people in your past, it doesn't change too much unless they're somebody of low character and they're literally just trying to leech. Like, okay, that's the obvious thing. Like, I'm on now and you're trying to leech, It's like, yeah. Well, that's who you are. But for the most part, everybody else is like, oh, that's dope. Okay. Yeah, I gotta go pay some bills, or I'm gonna go to work. You know what I'm saying? Like, I actually give a care. But um, yeah, what were we talking about? I think it's perfect timing that we've probably come to the uh final segment of our podcast. Ooh. Rampage! Rampage! So the working title for this last little segment that I am hosting is called The Rapid Fire Rampage. Okay. And we didn't prep you at all, just so everyone else knows. This is Chicken Livers.

That was the answer to number one, actually. How'd you know that? Who told him? Jamil? God damn it. That's real AR work right there. So basically, what I'm gonna do is break it into three parts. The first part, I'm just gonna ask you some questions, give me some short answers off the top of your head. The littler you think, the better. Okay. Second part's gonna be a littler. Littler. That's a word. I think it's a word. Stuart littler. The second part's gonna be a this or that. It's gonna be one or the other. And the last part's gonna be just word association. I'm gonna give you one word. Just give me one word back off the top of your head. I love this. This is like impromptu, like I want to get into that more. Let's do something. It's gonna be fun. Let's do it. I'm looking forward. So starting with the short answer, give us one project, mixtape, EP album, whatever, in your top five all time. Damn. By Kendrick Lamar. Oh, yeah, actually, damn. Yeah, nice. Okay. Damn. Well what am I going to do? Exactly. I was like- That's a hard one. I was like, let me uh qualify that.

By Kendrick Lamar. That's a damn period. Right, damn period. Period makes it in all caps. Okay. Favorite cryptocurrency. Right. Now it's got to be Doge Cat, Dogecoin. Dogecoin. Dogecoin and Elon Musk. Motherfucking moon. To the moon. Elon Musk is on Saturday Night Live this Saturday. If this man mentions Dogecoin on Saturday Night Live, I actually bought some today just in case. I bought some today as well. Elon if you're watching this- Henry convinced me. Yeah. Please mention Dogecoin on Saturday Night Live. That'd be awesome. I'm gonna probably like when it when it spikes, I'm gonna sell. Yeah, I'm about to say I'm gonna sell a little bit just to be like, ah, just to pocket a little bit. Good old money. Good old Dogecoin making me money. And then you know, whatever happens after that, because you know how it is volatile, whatever, but Dogecoin to the moon, man. To the moon. Hey, where'd you make millions? Dogecoin. Dogecoin. Give us one underrated food place in Atlanta. Underrated. I'm gonna say Belly Ethiopian restaurant on Virginia Ave. And the only reason why I say underrated, because I don't think people know about it.

I've never heard of it. Yeah. Woo. But if you like Ethiopian, go to Desta. Oh, I bet. It's off Briarcliff and Claremont. Okay. I'm with it. Shout out Desta. I wanna it's like I've been eating a lot of it, you know, to go because of quarantine. I want to sit down because it's always beautifully plated. Like the presentation. No lie, you lose no flavor in when you're just getting it out of your to-go box. But I just want to see it that way. Give us your favorite strip club. Favorite strip club. Magic. City. No. Blue Flame. I mean, Magic City is cool. It's like, I'm not in there doing the big, you know. Yeah, like you kind of have to be. Blue Flame, right? Um, sir. Um, yeah, there's a $10,000 limit on that ass. Like, damn. What's happened to my 401k. Yeah. Give us a genre of music you secretly like. Um, alternative music. So, like the Bon Iver of the world. You know what I'm saying?

I I sit and work to that. I sit and work or drive to it or clean, which is just vibe to it. But like w songs where I don't necessarily need to know exactly what it's about or what he's even saying. Nice. And I know I only mentioned Bon Iver, but like. But there's others. There's others. Give us your dream collab. I've been thinking about this lately. And I think what I want to do, I'm gonna say this one because I'm manifesting it to happen sooner than later. I want uh me with the dream and Pharrell. Ooh. On a song. Damn. Ooh. I'm touching flavors right there. Would Pharrell be uh just producing or would he have a verse? I'm not gonna tell him what he can or can't do on that. Skateboard P. Right. He's like, yeah, and then I'm gonna come in like okay. I mean, I had a 16, but yeah. If Pharrell wants a verse, you let Pharrell have a verse.

Come on in, bro. All right. Um give us the dumbest, one of the dumbest things you've ever done. One of the dumbest things. Um, yeah, one of the dumbest things, there was this trend going around when we were younger where you put salt on ice on your skin, and I don't know if I was trying to debunk it or if I just wanted to do some shit, but you can still kind of see it. You're scarred. Right, the little salt ice burn. No. I did that to myself. I was sitting there like, oh, okay, this shit really is happening. And I just let it stay. I was like, I had to go tell my mom, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I'm just, and she's like, so wait, you wait, so you you what you do? You know what I'm saying? She's like, someone burned you, I'm like, no, I did this to myself. God, that's terrible. Right.

She's just like, go to bed. Oh my god. All right, let's let's flip it around. One of the best decisions you've ever made. One of the best decisions I ever made uh was to go. Uh I would say yeah, was to decide to go study abroad, my senior year in college. I think Where'd you go? talking about culture shock. I went to Salamanca, Spain, and uh traveled a lot around Spain that semester. But it's culture shock, good food, great experiences. Like uh I just beautiful women? Yeah. Um for sure for sure. I think I got like a good taste of what it felt like to just be uh like in the vastness of the world. So I gotta get back into it. Like I've been out of the country, but I want to go. Like I want to go to Germany next. Shout out my boys at uh Don't Sleep on the Couch Podcast. I'm gonna be sleeping on your couch. Or I mean I can't get up. do they got Airbnb? Oh yeah, I would imagine. Oh yeah. Airbnb is global as hell. Right.

Yeah. Well, hey, that's first part of the rampage. Huge success. Let's move on to the this or that. And you could get with PlayStation or Xbox. PlayStation. Even though you know earlier me would say Xbox, but these days. Things change. Yeah. Next gen. Fruits or vegetables. Veggies. Day or night? Day. Beer or liquor. Liquor for sure. My man. Cars or trucks. Cars. Cats or dogs. Dogs. Pen and paper or phone note. Um, I would say probably pen and paper, but I actually don't write it all these days. Shout out to the pen and the pad. He said neither. He said it's up here. Right. When it comes to music, but when it comes to getting things done, yeah, I like to bring out the old quill. Today on the Our Lord.

I will be cleaning out my car. All right, singing or rapping? Rapping. And there it is. That was a successful this or that. Hey, yo, hey, yo. Very good. So last put last portion here of the Rapid Fire Rampage. It's gonna be word association. Just one word. If it's two words or three words, that's okay, but keep these really short. I just want you not thinking. Just want to see what this word makes you feel. So let's start off with clothes. Fashion. Money. Evil. Pizza. Good. Guns. Butter. Vacation. Needed it. Family. Everything. Corona. Virus. There's like a whisper theme going on. Yeah. Our last guest did the whisper on the one word. Virus. Guitar. Hero. Children.

Future. Elon. Bag talk. Well, folks, that's it. We appreciate Keenan Rush coming out on the One More Time Music Podcast. I've been your host, Playback Ben. Henry with a three. We'll see you guys next week. Tune in. Make sure to like, subscribe, comment, share this podcast with a friend. We appreciate you guys tuning in. And good night.