Childish Major Interview: Never Afraid to Go Left

I was the left guy. I am a left ear. I want the different s***. I want the weird s***. Jazzy Tate, Q, Nelly is in there. Nelly. YG, And we passing the mic around. And then something in my mind, I'm just like, man, this is left. It's left. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I am beyond thrilled to be welcoming in on the One More Time podcast. Legendary rapper songwriter from Memphis. It's Xavier Wolfe. Xavier Wolfe. Shout out to Xavier Wolfe, though. He's fine. I'll fuck with that. Ig Xavier or Xavier? It might be Xavier. You want to know something? What? I'm not sure. But I fuck with his music. You know who put me on? Uh Vic Blends. Oh. Yeah, the barber out here. Love Vic Blends. He's great. Yeah, the the uh the motivational.

Yeah. He's way more than a barber, Henry. Jesus, Christ. he's way more than a barber. Okay. Um, but he put me on, he put me on, and I and I did my deep dive, and I was like, yeah, this is fire. Hell yeah. And I fuck with these on cars and the anime. Yeah. I guess like a whole wave. Have you gotten the look-alike comparison though before? No, but uh there's a first for everything. It's my brother now. There you go. But all lookalike comparisons aside. We do have Grammy Award nominated. There we go. You didn't win yet, right? Not yet. Okay, good. Sometimes I say nominated and people are like, I want a Grammy. I'm like, God damn it, Wikipedia. we need to leave something open for expectations. Exactly. That's cool. So we got Grammy nominated artist, producer, songwriter. We got childish major in the building. Bro. I was listening to to Pig Feet. Okay, yeah, Let's talk about it. Yeah, yeah. The feature uh on Schoolboy Q's latest album Blue Lips. Blue lips. And like Out now, go get that. I was in like a you know, kind of calm, like, you know, kind of ready for the interview type, you know, mindset. And then I just got lit as fuck just for Lil? Lil? Lil? Lil? Hey. Lil? Hey. yeah, And I was just like, holy shit.

And then I proceeded to like deep dive into the comments on Twitter or around the record. Okay, yeah. And like everyone is so excited for that show or that that song to be performed at the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's gonna be up. It's gonna be up. So, like when you make a song like that, okay. Is that is that like is that like obvious? Like, is it the intention of like we're gonna make a song that is just gonna like tear the shows up? Uh if no, not it's not like we didn't have a conversation before and was like, yeah, let's make something turned up. Yeah, honestly, um how did it happen? Uh coming into the experience of working on Blue Lips with Q. I just got an invite. I can't remember around what time it is. I just decided to be in LA, and um I got an invite from Jazzy. Shout out Jazzy. Hell yeah. Yeah, shout out to Jazzy. Um, Jazzy and Tate, and they were like, yo, pull up on us. We're at the studio. Um, so I walk in the studio, and it's like a fucking party going on, and it's fucking Jazzy Tate, Q, fucking Nelly is in there.

Nelly, YG. I'm trying to think who else. DJ Fu. Um, it's like mad people in there. It's it's just like a fucking party going on, and everybody's passing the mic. Ooh. Everybody's passing the mic and everybody's just like, you know, throwing shit down. And um, and Q is he's, you know, he's in that bitch turning up and everything, and I'm just like, damn, this shit is crazy. And uh, and I had this beat, I put out my laptop while the party's going on. I'm like, being a nerd. Yeah, I'm like, I got the best beats. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Offkeysupply.com. See, look at that. All natural plug. No, honey, though, but I'm but I'm in there, I got my, you know, I got my laptop out, and I'm I know Jazzy, I'm like, and I met Q before, but it was just in a time where I feel like we just was crossing paths. It wasn't like time to like, you know, really be introduced. So I tapped Jazzy. I'm like, yo, Jazzy, I got this joint.

And Jazzy is, she like, oh yeah. I played in her ear shit. I'm like, that guy I'm like playing that ear. And she like, oh yeah, he plugged this up. Hey, Q, he got some, he got some. So put that bitch on the speakers, and everybody just started vibing and dancing to that shit, and it's up. But then Q, he's like, man, he like, man, we, you know, we winding down right now, like, ain't nobody winding down for real. They still turned up, but it's like they're not in work mode. They're not in work mode right now, but he like, pull up on me tomorrow. So I pull up the next day, and I'm just playing songs, playing beats, and we just like laying ideas and shit like that. And then I come back the next day, and the next day, and then it was just a day, we was just in there, turnt, he uh juice had hit me, juice the uh engineer, he did the whole album, and he hits me and he like yo, man, Q say ain't record until you pull up. So I pull up and we going through shit, Cal pulls up, it's mad folks in the studio, and then they just start making this beat, and we passing the mic around, and then something in my mind, I'm just like, man, this left. It's left.

And then I was just so that was your idea? I yeah. Nah, I just started, I just started screaming that shit. And then just like kind of freestyle that shit, and everybody was turning up to it when I was just saying it. But I was it was just, I was just in that mode where I just like was like, one word shit. I wrote something else around that time that's gonna come out later. That's just like same type of space, but not it's not that record. But it's just like one word joints. That's just like the hit. This is yeah, you know what I'm saying? Just gotta go. One word, just turn it up. And man, that shit, he fucking took that shit and turned it into a whole concept and a whole thing. And it's like, yeah. Yeah, bro. I mean, just like and I was just praying. I was like, man, I hope it keep me on it. And uh, and I hope it makes the album, yeah, which it did, and you know, now it's out and people are loving it, and you know, I hope, you know, and pray. Actually, you know what I'm saying, God willing.

I know it's gonna like grow legs of its own and just like turn into its own thing. Like, people are funny in the world, is what I'm realizing, and they'll just do anything with a record. It's true. TikTok now, especially. It'll just it'll be some trend. TikTok now, fuck, because I'm you universal, and you know what I'm saying? TikTok probably, We'll get into that. yeah. They're not gonna fuck with me on that one. They're gonna take that. Yeah, so like what has the reception been online about the record? About the record, Yeah. loving it. Can't wait to hear it on, you know, in performance, and um that and uh thank god for me. Those That hearing about those two records, like being performed live, or like, yeah, yeah, I'm excited. Is he doing a tour for blue lips? Um, I don't have any word on that right now, but uh media trained. As soon as I do, then he'll be sure to let us know. One more time So, So, like literally, you just played something for Jazzy. She like told Q that you should play an artist.

Yeah, but but but then you just get invited back for the next several days. Yeah, I get, I get invited back, but it's it's just more about the um the energy and the uh was it camaraderie. Like I had real conversations with Q this time around and I I told him that I met him before, and he was like, man, I was just in a different space back then, and you know, it was just he was he was a different person, which I feel like people could feel, you know, his growth now. Like you could tell, you know, brobin on some other shit, you know what I'm saying, which is dope. And I think it's, it's dope for anybody to see that, you know, you could start one way and then you could switch your shit up. So that was the conversation that we had, and I was like, man, why? I was like, I was like, you just let anybody just come in. I'm like, Q was at the point, he was so open at that at this point, where the janitor could have came in and grabbed the mic and he would have been, and he told me that he was like, Man, everybody got something to give. And I think that that is probably the biggest gem that that like pushed me from that point for, like, you know, gave me more of a um an open mindset with creating with people and just you know Yeah, do you think too many people have like a status thing about it?

It's like only people that have these certain accolades have something to give versus Q. I definitely think um, yeah, a lot of people go status-wise, and I think that's also what kind of fucks the game up in a sense too. Like, and I can't even speak for myself, but a lot of the features that I had are my friends. You know, these are people that you know that are really in my life. But um experiencing that and it and being uh um, you know, an example of that. I want, you know, I want more people to experience that. And I think that the game is, you know, the game can the game can progress that way, being introduced to newer artists. If bigger artists, you know, didn't just go for like, oh, I gotta get so-and-so because they the hottest, or so-and-so, cause they the hottest, and I'm gonna get so-and-so, cause they really fire and really deserve the platform. And I like hanging out with them even. Like they're they're a friend, like they're cool people. Shut up, I already loved Q, but like I like Q even more now.

That's great to hear. No, and I and I knew Q was about to come back with some crazy shit. I just didn't know how long it was gonna take because his feature on your album, thank you God for it all. Yeah, that was the 2021 album, right? Shout out to that, because like disrespectful, bro. Like, which, you know, goes back to, you know, saying how much of a real person he is, because you know, a lot of people say they're gonna do shit and they don't do it. And he was like, we was kicking in one day at the studio, and he was like, I'm gonna pull up on you when, when you had your sessions and shit like that too. So I hit him up, I was like, yo, I got a session. And he for sure pulled up and he did way more than what I could have ever asked, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like what or what I would have expected, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Or what he he didn't have to. He had to pull up. He could have just he could have just been like everybody else and been another, you know, another story untold that, you know, that just didn't happen. But he kept it real, he kept it funky, and I appreciate that just as a man, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, being a man of your word and just, you know, showing up because I showed up for him, you know what I'm saying?

So he showed up for me, and that was dope. And that shit went crazy. So I was like, damn, Q better be working on some solo shit that are just gonna blow our minds. I mean, people are already talking like album of the year contender and shit. Like it's getting like that. It's getting really like well received, right? Yeah, it's not too early for that. I'm loving it. Yeah, nah. I mean, it's not too early for that. You know what I'm saying? You gotta speak it into existence. Manifest. That's for sure. I mean, no, I I love the project, and obviously, like getting down, you know, because you're the second to last song, Pig Feet. Yeah, like that's just it revived Yeah. Used to produce on that motherfucker too. Shout out to the new new with you know, DJ Khalil. And then Ohio as well, right? Uh so I on Ohio, I just did background vocal. Oh, you did? Okay, cool. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, okay. Yeah, I whatever, whatever position I need to play in the room, I'm I'm gonna do that. You're versatile Yeah, Nah, for sure. So I remember y'all talking about that on the last uh uh uh uh, uh, uh, Tehran episode, he was talking about uh Jack of all trades, master of none type shit. Like, don't try to do too much.

But yeah, I well, let's talk about it. I do a lot, let's talk about it, bro. Cause you do because I I even asked you what your pronoun was, and I didn't mean you know, he she them, I meant artist, producer, songwriter. Like which which do you sometimes engineer, sometimes engineer? If you got to, if the engineers in the bathroom and you need to record sacrifices, uh J. Cole and and you engineered that I didn't, I man, I was got behind the boards. Why not? You know why not? Because it was what the room called for, yeah. But how hard is it? There was a room, it was a room at the Dreamville camp, and nobody had uh well no, I want to say the computer wasn't working, or something something was happening with where music wasn't being made. And I was like, I got my shit, I'm gonna plug up. Let's get this shit done. Wasn't on the song, They didn't produce the beat at all, but I'm like, let's move this forward. And that's dope, but I mean, just in general, when you walk into the Q sessions or any studio session for that matter, the Dreamville sessions doesn't matter. Like, how hard is it for you to know like which role to try and play?

It's not hard, and you don't have to try. Like you just see openings or you see what needs to be done. Sometimes rooms need leaders. Sometimes rooms don't need leaders, and you just somebody sometimes you just need to play a role. Sometimes you just need to see the window. Like, oh, people are the sacrifices was an engineer, but there'll be other rooms where everybody's trying to play leader and nobody's getting anywhere. And then it's like, yo, let's start here. Sometimes, you know, there's no starting at all. And it's like, okay, let's start off with this sample I got. Or let's start off with these keys, or let's, you know what I'm saying? Or maybe I need to finish something, or maybe I need to check a word. I think we could, I think we can we can beat that. You know, whatever role I need to play, it's just it's tuition at the intuition at this point. Yeah, but but do you feel like some people box you into any of those roles? Uh yeah, I've been to sessions and um and people not know exactly who I am. So how do you let them know?

You just tell them. Um by the way, I can actually sing and rap and shit. No, I give it up humble um at first, but when you try me, I gotta let you know. I've been I've been yeah, okay. I've been in sessions and um they wanted me as a writer. Or that was their expectation of me. And um, and of course, their producers, this is a manager, by the way. His producers, you know, of course, know me for they know me as a producer, but they want, you know, he he knew me as a writer, and when he saw me making beats or producing, he um tried to pull me to the side and be like, uh, they're gonna handle this, this, this, and that. And I was, you know, I don't know if you know, so I pulled him to the side, and I was like, you know what I'm saying? I don't know if you know, but you know what I'm saying. Then somebody else pulled him to the side and told him, and he came back, and you know, we had a conversation and it was all cleared up. But that kind of sucks to have to like it don't suck.

I don't know. For me, I'd be like, I wear my resume on my shirt or some shit, just to be like, Yeah. I mean I can write, I can sing, I can rap, I can produce. There's no excuse for people on the that are there's an excuse for so-and-so fan that I meet outside in the world, and they like don't know that I do something else. There's an excuse for that. Yeah. Being within the industry and you're you're you're asking for somebody to pull up and come. They brought you in. Do your fucking homework. You brought me in. Do your homework. You gotta know who you're bringing in. You know what I'm saying? Unless, unless that person really just doesn't like push it at all, or it they you know, they don't, but you had to have done no research at all, or just you know, just haven't been here to know that like people behind the scenes know what I'm about. They know what I got going on, but like for somebody who, you know, is just a fan, like I'll expect them to be a fan of what they are a fan of. So how do you allocate your time, like your own time?

When you're just making, you know, you're in your, you know, you mentioned you have a studio, so you go to the studio to just make music. You talking about just life? Just like when you're making it. Yeah, like when you're creating yourself. Like is it is it artistry or is it? Yeah, like are you going in there being like, I'm gonna make songs for me? It's all one and the same. So, like, there are times where it just all starts at different, it starts from different mediums, if that makes any sense. It doesn't, because explain. Okay. Give me an example. I shall. Okay. Bring it down for me, shall we? There are times where I am inspired by words and I have words, and I just need something to put it down. So this could be uh a guitar loop, it could be pianos, it could be just a sample loop, it could be anything like that. I'm gonna get these words out. I gotta get these words out. I gotta get these words out. And that shit that's just like stuck in your head or what? Yeah, it's stuck in my head, it might be inspired by a movie I was watching, a conversation I had, or uh just a one-liner or something I read, you know? Yeah, do you write it down immediately if you're watching the movie or you like writing it down?

I'm not going to lie. When it comes to that, I'm learning to write it down. Like, at least a voice memo or something. Well, look, I have spurts, so like, you know, there are people that are very like linear within their creative process. And for me, like, I'm very sporadic. Oh, it comes and goes. Let's not say goes, because it always, it always stays. That sounded rude. Okay, it might uh come back in a different way than I originated, but it always ends up fire because I'm gonna think it through. Yeah, okay. Or feel it through. Yeah. But but you could get you could stand to maybe like write some shit down or else you're forgetting, you're forgetting some shit. You might have forgotten some hits. Have you forgotten some hits? Have you forgotten some hits yet? Fuck no, hell no, I never forgot. Never forgot. Because a lot of those times. I don't know, bro. He might have forgotten hits. He wouldn't know if he did, I guess. The hits are not thinking. Ah, that's a good one. Break that down. Break that down. A bar, a bar is a bar. I'm not gonna lie, a lot of the bars that I write down, it'd be fine in a moment. And when I go back and read it, it's not fine because it's not, it's not in that within the same energy.

When we talk about like the hits or like um, and we're talking about like hit format, things that really like connect in like you know, whether they've came out or not, they're very on the like on the spot. They don't they don't really require a lot of thinking. Yeah, even when I watch other writers in um in their zone, and I'm in, you know, I might be on the other side of the booth and I'm just seeing them go, they're not in that bitch thinking. They going. It's almost like the talent isn't coming up with the thing, the talent is recognizing the thing when it happens. You almost just need to get good at being like that's the thing. It's a little bit of both. Quincy's thing. is like, you know, God is in a room, you know what I'm saying? It's like God in the room or spirits in the room. Like ideas don't belong to us. Like, we just catch them. And I feel like you just gotta be a good catcher. Yeah. It's wild, because I mean, you know, I haven't been in the room for like mega hits, but even being in the room with like some independent artists. When I say hits, I mean, when I say hits, I mean things that are hitting, not like number wise or like no sure.

Cause honestly, fuck that shit. Let's talk about it. Fuck hits. No, not fuck hits. I was like, be careful, childish. Not fuck hits, because there's a record, not fuck hits. There is a there's a science, and there is a um, there's a correlation. Like, I love Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift fucking goes crazy, to be honest. She's hard. In my opinion, like, she's talented. She's hard. I don't know. It's me. I listen to that shit in the morning when I take my daughter to school, and I'm like, it's just amazing. So good. This shit is amazing. So good. But when I when I say hits in in the context that I'm talking, it's just something that hits, something that makes you feel something. Something that when everybody's in the studio, regardless of whether the numbers, it hasn't came out yet. Like I hear I hear more music than what is out. Regardless, does it make the room move? And that's what I'm saying by it being it being a hit.

And so those oftentimes are more like felt out versus like thought out. They're not really thought out. Some of them are thought out, and some of them are really technical, but a lot of them are really just like this. This is it. A lot of them are just left, left. left. The room was moving. Hell yeah. The room was moving. My car was moving on the way over. I was moving in my car on the way over here. The room was moving. Yeah. Damn, bro. Oh man. And so, yeah, so it's more just like you're not thinking through, like, I'm gonna be the artist today, tomorrow I'm gonna be a producer. It's not really that all it all runs together. I'm just I love music. I love music. I'm I'm in it. I'm not uh regardless of whether I make another dollar off of music or not, like I gotta do this. I have to do this. You know what I'm saying? I have to do this. I'm still doing this. There's been times where I haven't had a lot of money and I still have to do it. Hell yeah. Which which of the three do you think you're best at? Just being like honest.

I wish I could tell you. Come on, bro. I wish I could tell you. You don't you don't have a little you have an opinion, but I I do. I what do you think? I shouldn't have said anything. Yeah. Shit, come on, bro. You have, you have an opinion. But you've only you only know what you've heard. So I mean Yeah, but I've known you for 10, I've known about you for 10 years. Known about. Yeah. Oh. I just met you today. Okay, what do you what's your what was your gut reaction? I think your superpower is like having a vision for the song as a whole. Oh, okay. So maybe that's production. I don't know if that's considered production. You copped out on that one. I know. He copped out on that one. He caught himself because I he saw I was coming high. Your face was like, which one am I best at Henry? I was like, yeah, don't protect yourself. That's crazy. Be wrong, bro. Come on. That's what I was thinking. So production. If you consider that production, yeah. Nah, don't do that. You know, don't you sometimes be on the fence. But sometimes like having the vision for the song doesn't mean like, oh, I need to put background vocals or I need to put a verse, or I got the hook.

I mean, I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna say it. That's just based on what I just said. No, man. I'm gonna say it. I I I I would say that you've seen the most success as a producer. Would you agree? Just numbers wise and you know, accolades. Your your production has, I mean, god damn, you only know like Jesus Christ, we could just leave that one alone and production career is also twice as long as your artist career. When when did your artist career start in comparison to the uh to the producer career? It started, so 2013 was when you only know came out. Yeah, 2014 is when I started recording and all those songs became Usa. Okay, yeah. So that was 20 but that was 2017 that you dropped it first. project. Yeah. So okay, yeah. So like at least four years less from like a stuff that's out perspective. Which is you gotta consider that. Yeah, but I mean, you know, I just and big but because I do think exactly what he's saying. But that's as far as like releases you're talking about. But I've made way more money as an artist than I have just being a producer. Really? Interesting. Is it?

Wow, yeah, actually, I'm surprised. Yeah, yeah. Damn. Cause it put it it it made me it put me in a position where I had to put myself out there and me putting myself out there allow opportunities to come to me in a different way than it would me being behind the scenes. So I not, not saying that whether whether or not I was on a mic or not, it would have made a difference, but I think it does. But I know that um if I would have decided to just be a DJ, even that would have been better than just me being a producer. Yeah. No, that's actually that's actually game, bro. Cause like if anyone would would just look at your like output, right? They would assume that you've made more money as a producer. I would think. Yeah. I would think. So like it's actually it's actually kind of game for people out there of like, look, me being an artist allow me to be, well, for one, going on tour with big crit, well, big crit going on tour with big crit, then going on tour with Aaron Ray. That's a homie.

Um I love Aaron Ray. Going on tour with Billie Eilish. Yeah, yeah. I couldn't do that just being a producer. Yeah. That that put me in a different position. I got an MCM campaign from that. But it's like, uh, I mean, I could chalk my career to just being a producer if I go, if I go based off of what the fans say and what everybody says, but like, I mean, now they calling for my pen. Yeah. Sure. It's y'all don't know that. No, I I've I know. You know? I mean, we're in, we're in the we're in the circles a little bit now. I hear I hear about you outside of just one to interview you, bro. Okay, okay. I know I know what you've been doing. It's okay to not know. I know it is. Okay. He doesn't know. I know. I might know a little less than that. He does know a little less than me. But no. So, all right, so you know, like having been in this shit 10 years, right? Like, where do you think you've grown the most? So it has it been the pen? Like, like, is that where you think you've grown the most? That's where my focus has been.

And then I mean, that comes back around to production. So it's like, they're all intertwined. Yeah. You're just making music. Yeah, I'm just making music at this point. So some some of the comments about the Q shit was like some some people, very few. So I want to just caveat this, but I think it's an interesting topic of discussion, right? There's a lot of people that were like, man, like we want the old Q or something, right? It's always good to do that. How do you feel about when, when fans say like we want the old artists? Man, to say you want somebody old is to say that you want them without growth. And I think that you need to grow up. Like, did you grow? That's true. That's the that's the question. Um, cause you could like from my perception, of course, like at this point I know him, but like, just as a fan, like I I was a fan of him before I met him. And me seeing where he is at now, his mind say he's talking about going to, you know, soccer games for his daughter. Me having a daughter now, that's my growth. But like, you know, him talking about it is like, I'm like, oh, he's on some different shit now.

You know, we had we had drugged out Q. we had, you know, gang banging Q. Um now he's playing golf on Twitch. Now he's playing golf. And he's inspired. He's playing golf, he's very intelligent. I seen him, I seen him talk down, um, not talk down, but like calm down a situation where somebody was trying to get him riled up and he was like, Man, I ain't thinking about that shit, man. You know what I'm saying? And I respect that more than I respect, you know, somebody talking about they killed somebody or they about to kill somebody or about to hurt somebody or about to do some bullshit. You know what I'm saying? That shit don't matter. Yeah. Say you want the old ho, buy my old album. Yeah. Oh, everything. No, it's it's it's true. Cause the only time they need that what they need to be listening to is from the bottom to the top and seeing like, oh, what can I do to fucking get out of me wanting to listen to the the old shit? Yeah. No, true. Maybe look inward, folks. If you're having this conversation. So I want the old Q. Like, man. So how important is it to be a fan of uh the people that you work with?

I can't say that I haven't had moments where I've just like kind of pushed myself, of course, like, you know, we're trying to make money out here to just do sessions that I don't necessarily want to do or necessarily believe in. But I think at this point in my life, I um I really want to work with people out that are inspiring and that um and that you know push me and that also want to be pushed, you know, because we out here, we out here that we out here to push the push the envelope. We out here to make, you know, inspire people. And we can't inspire people doing the same shit over and over. Isn't it also kind of fun though? Like, you know, I've had paid sessions where they, you know, typically I got we get paid for engineering, but they want my production here sometimes. And I and maybe I'm not the biggest fan of them as an artist. Yeah, but it's kind of a fun challenge to see like what can we do? How can I push this artist? They're almost looking to you for the inspiration. Some people surprise me. Yeah. Some some people surprise me. Yeah. And I I will say that some people surprise me. And then sometimes people just really disappoint me.

For sure. Holy shit. Of course. That's part of the game. And then I want to ask so badly who's disappointed in me. We're not, we're not calling anybody out right now. that's not that's not that's not my MO. But at the same time, but it's really um, it's really the people, especially like you know what I'm saying. You go in sessions and people aren't who they aren't at the status of other people that you've worked at, but they, you know, they um they present themselves because of of who they think they need to be in order to be in the room and to take up space in the room and be a light in the room. And uh, and those are the disappointing sessions. It's not like a talent thing or anything like that I think I can go in a session with anybody and give them something that resonates with them or something that will resonate with other people. So it's more like the social side of it than it is like the human side of it more than it is like the music making stuff. Yeah because we're we're we're people yes we're people fuck the accolades fuck all that shit like that shit don't matter today because what we trying to do is get the accolades. So like you know yeah I feel like that's where a lot of creatives like are missing the mark like at least people that I talk to a lot it's it's that they don't approach things enough as just humans you know where it's like if you're DMing someone trying to work or you're you know trying to do anything with anyone in the industry like if you just treat it more so on like the human to human level and like try and establish those genuine connections.

I feel like that's when it's always gonna work but I don't think you know people I don't know why it is like this but it's just more so transactional in nature and let's work. Yeah. The let's work DMs. Yeah. Yeah. yeah and the people that treat it like that are the ones that aren't making it now. Everyone that we talk to on this you know podcast who obviously has the people that are really stars are stars at a human level. That's a gem. The people that are really like that are like no matter what like it's not them putting on like they can't turn it on or turn it off like this is who they are those are the people that are really stars to me and to me. And I'm gonna say to me because everybody don't feel that way but like that's it's not somebody that could just put it on. No that's that's huge. It's major. That's huge. Childish major. I did that on purpose. Okay. Thank you very much. You said you tried to steal his bar. Right. Yeah. All right so so uh you only know came out 10 years ago. Um, I know you've talked about this before, but our audience hasn't maybe heard it, right? Um, how did that song come about?

Um, so I was signed to Hoodrich HPG, Hoodrich Production Group Production Group. Okay. Um, DJ Spins. Spins. Yeah, DJ Spins. DJ Spins went to my church. Really? Tabernacle Baptist Church. Oh shit. In Augusta, Georgia. Um You're from Augusta? Uh I'm from Edgefield, South Carolina, but it's right right over the state border. Yeah, right over the border. Um born in Minnesota, though. Born in Minnesota. Come on now. All right, for sure. I know some things. Yeah, you know something. Read a little bit of Google. He Googled you. That's crazy. Uh it's funny. Sometimes I forget to just do the traditional Google when I'm doing my interviews. Go straight for the podcast. I'm doing like all sorts of other things, but then sometimes like I just don't do like the very basic, like Wikipedia. He trying to play you right now. that's crazy. No, no, I'm saying like I'm playing myself, but like, how do I not start there at least? You played yourself. Yeah. Nah, but yeah, uh what happened was we were going on church trips together and kind of like bonded through that because we was all trying to get at girls, you know. Oh the youth group shit.

The youth group shit. Y'all were some horny motherfuckers, man. Church youth group. Nobody say nothing about fucking. We were just trying to, you know what I'm saying? Get at some girls. You know, we're just trying to talk to girls. Okay. Okay. We just wanted to be in the vibe. Make room for Jesus, childish. He's crazy. You wanted to talk to them so hard. Okay. God. I already took it over the line. He was right. You didn't, you didn't realize how I crossed the line. No. I was already across, and you just further across. Yes. That's crazy. Anyways. So you're trying to talk to girls. But yeah, anyway, so I go to I go to college anyway. I go, I go off to college, um, and then they move to Atlanta. Uh C4 and Spins. They both were in there. We're both making waves. Um, Spins was out here doing Travis Porter, Cash Out, a bunch of other stuff. Um he was telling, you know, talking about his production group that he was starting and everything. And I was like, man, I want to be in this space. Hit my mom, like I want to go move.

And um But you weren't making any beats at this time. No, I'm definitely making beats. Oh, you were? Okay, okay, okay. I'm producing. Okay. Okay, cool. Making beats since 13. Okay, yeah, yeah. Um, so join HPG, they have a studio, and it's just like, yo, like go in here, make beats or whatever, put beats in the drop box. So I put beats in the drop box. I'm making beats, putting beats in the drop box. I get up, um, not even get up. Late one night in a studio and I'm on Twitter and I see my name next to Rick Ross, future in Rocco. And I call my mom and I'm like, we did it. So you didn't even know it was coming out. No, it was out already. Like it was like That's crazy. it was out. Yeah. Yeah, it was out. So close. Shit just fucking shit just fucking dropped. And then, you know, all the business and stuff got handled afterwards. But like, yeah, that was it. That was that's how it happened. Um what and then I find out later what happens. What happened was Caveman, the engineer. Shout out Caveman. I know. Caveman.

Shout out to Caveman. Um, what he did was he took uh future acapella and put it over my beat and then had Rocco rap to it, and then they sent it off the rock. Caveman low-key made you don't even know it. He produced that motherfucker. That's fire. Damn. So so like what what actually started to happen after, you know, this song starts going. I mean, it just was going nuts. Like 50 remix. Yeah, a lot of a lot of anxiety is what happened. Okay, so personally. you had to learn the business real quick. Personally, speaking. I gotta learn the business real quick, but I I was getting um, I was getting, um, um, so I was working at Publix at the time, and I I consider myself, well, had considered myself an introvert up until that point. Um, and but one of the the rules of working at Publix Deli was that you had to speak to people before they spoke to you. And um, so that like, you know, got me, you know, cool with like, you know, approaching people and talking to people. Shout out to Publix.

shout out to Publix. Where shopping's a pleasure. Okay. I'm just saying. Them subs be hitting, but man. They do. Uh but yeah, so that put me in a position where I was okay with approaching people. And uh after that moment, I had to go to a bunch of stuff and you know, network. Um like people were hitting you up at that point. Well, people people were hitting my phone, it was blowing up crazy. I had more messages than I could respond to. But then also uh just being being in spaces, like being out at parties, being in being anywhere, and people being like, you know, getting introduced to me and they're like, yo, D D you don't even know. And then it's like, oh, we gotta connect, we gotta blah, we gotta do this, so you gotta do that. It was work I work for so-and-so. I worked for so-and-so, you know. It was stamping you immediately. Yeah, for sure. It was like they it was the credibility you needed to really. It got me in the space. I would say um, everything happens for a reason, so I don't have no regrets, but I would say more I wasn't ready for it. Not I wasn't like I didn't know what to do with it at the time. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

So I had uh spent so much time after that, you know, honestly preparing myself for the next time it came around because I I was trying to get past it, honestly. Like I was like in the mindset, I wish I would have mustered it that shit, like and just did like a bunch of beats like you don't even know. But every time I got in the studio with somebody, I'm trying to prove that I'm the best producer in the world and I can give you your own sound. And it probably got old pretty quick, being that you don't even know guy, you know. It did because I was just a fucking hot-headed, nerdy ass producer that wanted to fucking just make the most musical or dope shit or push shit for, you know, which is nothing wrong with that at all. But at the same time, it's like, man, just for the to capitalize off of it, right? Yeah, so what would you have done, right? Like, I don't want to have you live in regret land, but you've really given this some thought. I got a beautiful life now. Yeah, exactly. But but like for you know, for those out there that do catch a hit, it's in a certain lane, right? Certain style of production.

What what would you say that they should do ? It's it's all up to your prerogative. So I'm not gonna tell you to do anything. Okay, so for you, what would you have done? But I will say that if people are asking for something based off of something else that you did, don't act negatively towards something that you've done. So you were trying to so stay so far away from you don't even know. I mean, look, this is so within HPG, I was the left guy. Yeah. I was the left guy. I was the I was the other guy. I I was trying to get a fucking all for you on Little Brother, or like, you know what I'm saying? Like, okay. So you're trying to do that. So the fact that you got this song anyways was already weird. It was it was different for me. Um it was different for me, but at the same time, like I was I was like, like, hell yeah, let's go. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I I I you know I loved, I loved what it became and what it is and what it means to certain people. But um, but at the same time, like I I am a left ear. I'm a left ear guy.

Like, I I want the I want the different shit. I want the I want the weird shit. So like me having pig feet on uh on blue lips is amazing, right? I have a feature on there, like I'm able to put my artistry out, you know. The left guy. I'm the left guy. I know. I was like I was like, should the theme of this episode just be left? You guys are terrible. But we are. No, it's great. But also We're not good. So that's that's dope. But me having Nunu on, on Blue Lips, which I don't know if that if that's the one that y'all tapped in with yet, but it's more boom bap. It's me, you know, me and DJ Khalil and Steve and Devin, and it's it's way different. It's way different, completely different, and I'm like super proud of that. You know, as much as I am uh proud of pig feet, you know. So coming from that is like coming from that perspective, it's like I just, you know, thought it would have happened different, but it didn't. Yeah.

You know? Okay, so you you personally do pride yourself more on like the real different shit, whereas something that's like, I mean, it sounds like you like almost don't love the mainstream like appeal. At this point in my career, I'm balanced because I love for the last I say like last four or five years, I've just been studying and writing in a different space, which is um, which is more towards hits and you know, studying that part, but that's just where I'm at in my career now. And I think, you know, I don't hate anything. Yeah, love like I was just singing the Taylor Swift song. Yeah, it was beautiful. And that's not for a sake of like just singing it. I like I like it, I enjoy it. Oh, we can tell. I enjoy it. Yeah, when you get to hitting them notes. So, so like who's your you know, Mount Rushmore of producers? My Mount Rushmore Pharrell. Yeah. He's left. Stevie Wonder.

Okay. Kanye. Oh. Ninth Wonder. That's it, right? You only get four. Four. You don't get a starting. You were about to get a starting five. I thought that's what y'all asked for. No, no, it's not Rushmore, it's four. I capped you at four, my friend. Okay. Yeah. That's an amazing four. That's so good. The Stevie Wonder pick, though. Yeah. That one came out. Songs of the Key of Life. Oh. See what you did? I know. Stevie. Stevie Wonder is the greatest producer of all time. I'm not mad at that. Whoa. I'm not mad at that. Whoa, bro. I'm not mad at that. Hot take. Just go to your phone. Go to your phone and just look up, look up discography. Just you know what I'm saying? Like, of what he has written and produced. Give me, a couple real quick. Fuck that. Nope. do your research. Give me a couple real quick, bro. Do your research. Yeah, let's see. What's your favorite Stevie Wonder produced outside of his own? music? Oh shit.

What would you say is your favorite? I mean, he's got some Gladys, he's got some Mike Jack. I can't, help it. Michael Jackson. Yeah, sure. he's got some James, he's got Beach Boys. He's got some Paul McCartney. Damn. Oh shit. Who knew? He's the fucking Spinners, bro. Oh my gosh. And all while pretending to be blind. Temptations. Temptations. I've heard some crazy stories. You heard those rumors, man? I've heard So many crazy stories. There's a video of him like catching something that someone threw at him. No, come on. You're are you claiming Stevie Wonder's not blind on this podcast? He's going at it heavy, too. No. Bro. I'm just saying I saw a video. Oh my god. I don't know anything. I don't stand with that. Songs of the Key of Life is top five album for me of all time. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, for sure. 100%. Um, all right. So my wife would kill me if I didn't ask at least some backstory on this. So Tribe is her favorite song of all time. She doesn't listen to she doesn't listen to rap music.

Okay. Doesn't listen to rap at all. The tribe is her shit. But she, like, we met in the summer of 2018, which is like when Tribe came out. We met at our apartment complex. We were at the pool, and I was always on the aux, you know, just that annoying guy that always wants to control the speaker. That was me. And Tribe was just one that I was that's a cool way to tell everybody that you put her on. Like he's like, I did, right, he was really I did put her on. No, I mean she had no idea who J. Cole was. She's not from the US either. So yeah, so like she didn't know. They fuck with Cole in Russia, though, I think. I mean, but she didn't. Okay. Okay. Like, you know, my wife. Don't try and act like Lana was on fucking But Tribe is her shit. Tribe's her shit. Okay. Any, like he give us anything here. man. Some backstory. Yeah, come on, bro. Okay. Give me something for her to just be like, all right, my husband's cool. So alright, just a little bit of that last story. Okay. shout out to Dreamville as a whole. Yes. Of course. and that whole team, the execs, the artists, everybody, they always show love. Yeah.

Um, Boz. Just, you know, being uh friends with Boz and having conversations with him. Me and Deshaun, shout out to Deshaun. Shout out to Deshaun, one more time podcast alumni. You know what I'm saying? Early. Was really thugging it out. Uh around earlier than those times. And uh, and we're trying to figure it out. And was like, man, let's go to LA. Let's go see what the fuck we could make happen. And we went out there and Bas opened his career to us and you know, really blessed us. And, you know, shout out to him for that, because that changed the trajectory of you know my career. Um, just being out there, man, so many beautiful things came from being out there during that moment. But also during that moment, me and him, you know, were together and I was playing him joints, and uh, and I had the first version of Tribe. Okay, uh, and he was like, This is fire, and I gave it to him. And it's funny because I had a song to it at first when I was playing it. See, this is what I mean.

This is what I mean, bro. But I was like, you got it. Fuck you, bro! Fuck you. I was like, you got it. You got it. It's your it's yours. And he took it, and then um, and then I feel like some time went by, and then he hit me and was like, man, Cole touched the beat, man. This this is that, and third. I'm like, hell yeah. Let's go. Let's go. He's gonna be so pumped. Come on. Cole jumped on that bitch, and then yeah, it's just out and then turned up. Oh my God, bro. Amazing record, man. I gotta, I gotta uh it's so fun. I got a real plaque with them boys, man. Yes. With with Boz and Cole. Yeah, no, that one is such a fucking great song, man. Yeah, like just top to bottom. Like it's just a it's a song, you know. It makes you feel something, like it's catchy as fuck. Yeah, it's got one of the greatest of all times on it, you know what I mean? Yeah, nah, for sure. Yeah, I mean, it makes me want to ask about free eyes only, but maybe we don't have to go there. No, we can, we can talk about one of the greatest like storytelling songs uh potentially that have ever been made. And I came in on post-production on that song.

Yeah. I came in on post, and I was um so I another just taking a chance was broke as hell, trying to figure it out and um talking to Cole, and I was like, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna get I'm gonna come out there. He was telling me what he had going on, and I went out to New York. Shout out to Jeff and them. They, you know, they got a crib out there, and I was like, man, like I'm gonna just stay at the crib, thugging in the crib, and uh would take Ubers to from Harlem to West Village every day, and uh and just be in the studio, and I was just you know, just kind of being a fly on the wall, and then Cole was like, Man, you should go in there. Him honestly seeing something in me. Um, not saying that I didn't see him myself, but I wasn't gonna assert myself, you know, on his situation. And he kind of, you know, gave me, you know, gave me the leeway to do what I wanted. What did he see? So what he told me was he was like, Man, go in the room. We got all these musicians, we got all this, you know, all these things going on. Of course, I know how to use Pro Tools and all that, so I'm getting behind the boards. Me and Elite, we going back and forth behind the um Elite, Elite, Elite.

Yeah, shout out to Elite, man. That's my guy. Um But just me and Elite going back and forth behind the boards and just working with the different musicians and just saying, no, let's do this or do it like this, or no, don't do it like this, do it like this. And then once we had all the files and everything, cutting and basically painting the same story that he was telling with lyrics. We had to t tell that same story with music, and just like going through just different cuts and taking things out, putting things in, and yeah, it was my first experience doing it at that level for something like that, and it was it was amazing. Was that your first time with a lot of live musicians? And like and like kind of working around. I had worked with musicians before, but that was the most consistent. It was like people coming in, like, you know, it'll be like an hour go by, and more musicians was coming in and more musicians and more musicians. So yeah, it was fire. Yo, was it hard to communicate with them? No, okay, it's it's it's still translated from just your music knowledge. Yeah, from my music knowledge it's like I can sing things back to you or tell you how I want it to be.

And it's not um the way that they teach music, you know, is like you you really need to know theory and things like that. But I think an ear is really important. More important. Yeah. It depends. More important than theory. It is. Is that a question or a statement? State. He's making standing on that bitch 10 times. Is he is there a question mark or an exclamation point or a period after that? I don't know. We had Mexico Drove sitting right there, and he was talking about I don't know nothing about an A B C D, but I know when it sounds good. And he damn sure does. You know what I mean? But I nah. Well that's valid, then that's valid, then. I believe that. I agree to a certain extent though, because I I did go to school with uh with a lot of music. I went to South Carolina State and I was with a lot of um a lot of musicians, a lot of musicians that played way better than I could. I think you should learn theory. I'm not saying don't learn theory. No, no, no, no. Let me finish my statement. Let the fucking man cook, bro.

But there were when I seen you or heard, when I heard what they were making and creating, it was like they didn't know sound selection. They there would be times where there would be things that are like super musical, but it's like, man, you're not making space for nothing. Or you're not, you know. So is it just all depends? I think that your ear is super important because you know the technicalities only matter when you're explaining, but when you're creating, it doesn't. Bro, it's gotta be so helpful it's gotta be so helpful for you to be able to sing the shit to them. Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna sing the shit to you. Because some producers probably don't have great voices, obviously. No, but even I even not having a great voice, um Rod Temperton. You're acting like I should know. Okay. Do I? Should I? You should. Okay, fuck. He wrote childish, why you gotta do me like that. Wrote a wrote a he was a part of the group called Heat Wave. Okay, but he also wrote a lot of thriller. He was he was handpicked by Quincy Jones to come write for Mike but okay so beyond that i should know that so beyond that you should you should know that okay but um but i'm also gonna say that him doing demos they they weren't like they didn't sound good yeah it doesn't but they got the job was they didn't sound good but the i yes the ideas were amazing and it's like that's that's what matters so like whether I can sing or not in some rooms I can sing but then in this other rooms that I get in and I'm like I can't sing because of who the singer is the singers are like next level singers yeah they're like next level singers it's like uh they're like do it like this or do it like this I'm like yeah the other one you know what I'm saying like because they're doing shit that I can't I can't physically do you know I'm saying you know I got I got uh you know I take lessons and stuff like that you know vocal lessons and shit I'm that's key talk about that man I'm always trying to touch up on my on my skills so that I can uh me taking vocal lessons me taking vocal lessons and me taking therapy at the same time that's crazy those are very valuable things for a songwriter I love that I'm glad you spoke on that yeah no no cuz uh because the therapy clears your mind and the uh the vocal lessons give you control of your voice and it's like those two things together yeah I had a whole routine when I was living out in LA cheat code yeah therap therapy and vocal therapy and vocal lessons schedule them back to back if you got to you're gonna have that pin right and those vocals are gonna be on point bro now I'm thinking of like a business I could start where it's like both we have therapists and vocal coaches. That's part of our service, bro.

Let's do it. Just like people in the music industry to take anything that you say try to turn into a business. God damn it. Childish. I'm sorry, man. But no, like, didn't cut me in or shit. Like I know, you're in. We'll talk about it. You're in. We're going third, third, third, 33, 33. I'm gonna cut you in. Oh shit. He flipped it on me. Um, I want to hear demos, bro. Why don't we get to hear like demos? I think um you gotta search for them. There's demos out there. Because that sounds like there are a lot of great demos out there. There are a lot of people don't do blogs no more, but there are a lot of blogs that like had put out a lot of great demos on a lot of records that became hits. I'd love to hear that. And uh demos are fire because you get to see what the you really get to see the process. It's like when you, I don't know, beat making uh behind the scenes, like they're not really interesting to me because it's like regardless of what you did, there's some dope like things that are being done in the production world. But like seeing a song turn from to some like amazing shit that everybody in the world sings.

Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah to me. Oh, that's why I want to hear them. That's why, because I 100% agree. I'm just thinking of like even this, you know, Mike Jackson that you're referring, you know, that you're talking about. Yeah, just like imagining getting to hear that demo. Maybe I can, I don't know, like search hard enough, but it's like getting to hear that. No, you can definitely just, it's an easy, it's an easy search. Okay, cool. So like I want to hear that demo to then be like, how did Quincy take that with Mike and make a hit off thriller? I feel like that's the that's the way that we're able to like really see folks' genius. And a lot of my time, a lot of the time when I'm listening things, listening to things that are like that have like became great things, I'm like wondering, like, damn, how the fuck did they get to this point with this song? Because I'm listening to the intricacies. I'm listening to like the development of the song and different things. It's it gets crazy. So are you like filming any of your sessions? I'm filming some of the sessions. I think you should film a lot of them. When I decide to, but a lot of the times, bro, like it should be in the moment.

Like, yeah. But it kills the vibe sometimes. It's like reality TV, though. You film so much that you almost can forget it's there and get more comfortable. Wouldn't you love to look back and see like if you made a hit that comes out three years from now, see exactly where the idea started? I'd love to see pig feeds. You know, a lot a lot more of those are voice notes. Sure. That's fun too. A lot more of those are voice notes. It's like I got the the choppy vocal where it's just like you know what I'm saying, just the mumbles and shit. Yeah. But then there's, you know, yeah. I I agree. I agree. Having a video show would be fun. Yeah, we need that. The moment where he's in the studio, like, yeah. And then the whole everyone in the room. And then they go record it. It'd be a cool moment. Well, Childish, we've entered a final segment of the podcast, my friend. Have we entered it? We've entered it. We're there. Are we there? We're here. We're here and there. Both? Same time. Y'all crazy. Let's go, bro. This is the rapid fire rampage. Before we leave it, let's go.

Okay. It's rapid. I got a three-part rampage for you. We're gonna start with some short answer questions. Very simple. Sound good? Don't piss me off. He's going to question one. It's one of his strengths. How about this weather we're having? Shit's fucking bipolar. Classic joke. It needs therapy. Indeed. Childish, give us some words of wisdom that you would give to upcoming artists and producers trying to break through in 2024. Do you? But don't do you so much that you don't do anybody else. Pause, bro. Wait, what? Bro. I don't think I've ever said pause, but like that deserves. That was your first pause. Don't do it so much that you don't do it. Do you do everybody else? Just do it. Just do it. Just do it. No, you gotta have balance, man. You gotta have balance. You gotta have balance. Just a test. Is that what that was to say? Okay. That was what that said. I would hope that the people that need to find me will find me. Okay.

You got there. We got there. This next segment is called Ideal Audio. We're gonna craft your perfect song. So any songwriters, alive or dead, producers, artists. Who are you recruiting to create the perfect song? Bro, you gotta give some constraints here, bro. I don't want to, because that takes away from the whole thing, bro. Yeah. Doesn't. Yeah. I mean, we already know who his favorite producers are. He did Mel Rushmore. But I might switch it. Exactly. That's cool. I'm not mad at that. I might hit you. Is this for a hit? You could just be for you to listen to. Just some shit I want to listen to. Either way, whatever you want to do. All right. Joni Mitchell's is the artist and also the pen. No, no, no, no, no. I'll take that back. Joni Mitchell is the writer. Okay. Oh. Stevie Wonder is the producer. Oh. The artist is Cisa. Sizzza! Joni's pinning for Sizza. I gotta hear that.

Produced by Stevie. Stevie Wonders producing. He wow. I ain't gonna lie. Ain't nobody gonna top that shit. I ain't gonna lie. That wins. Like anybody. Everybody else gonna say some crazy shit, but I ain't gonna lie. That makes sense. No, that actually would work together. Yeah. That would work. Because we've had some crazy names. But they don't work together. Yeah, and like we kinda wanna hear it just to like know for a fact it doesn't work, you know? That gels. That just sounds like a perfect. Tony, Scissor, and Stevie. Oh, yeah. The three musketeers. Maybe maybe childish major on the second verse. You know what I'm saying? I don't even need to be a part of this. I just put the room together. At least some background vocals or something, bro. Yeah. The background vocal. Did you do the background vocals on uh Money Power Respect? Money, Power, Respect. I think that's the one that has the crazy background. I love those backgrounds are fire. I appreciate that. Absolutely. Thank you. Yeah, man. Um, childish. What are the best and worst things about the music industry? The best thing about the music industry is connection on the on the uh artist side is connection with people, them telling you uh how their record how your records helped them, you know, in life or like got them through a certain things.

That's that's really dope to me. Um the worst thing in the music industry is the fucking pay, bro. Should we unpack that real quick? It's the fucking pay. It's nothing it's nothing too much to say about it, man. Fix that motherfucking shit, bro. Like, y'all, y'all done heard all the all the fucking shit. This shit needs to be fixed, man. Yeah. This shit needs to be fucking fixed, man. Are you like Spotify's the devil kind of guy? Or like streaming fucked everything? Yeah, I got I got Spotify for for uh research purposes, but that's about it, man. Fuck that shit. Damn it. Um okay. Um, we might need your phone for this one. Childish, what does your Instagram explore page currently look like? A lot of shoes, a lot of food. Okay. A little bit of ass. But mostly shoes and food. Yeah, yeah. And a little bit of ass. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. Just a little bit of ass. Tiny bit. Last one of the short answer. What is your favorite curse word?

Bitch. Part one. Part one. It's good part one. That's good. Solid. I mean, that song. Yeah, the ideological. Joni Sizzie Sizzy. That Joni's uh and Stevie. There's a lot of ease and ah's. That was a standout. Yeah. True. This next part is the this or that. I'm gonna give you two choices. Just gotta pick one. You're finna piss me out. Did I piss you off in section one? Almost. Yeah. So no. Pissed me off. Almost is a no. It's your face. Oh my god. Jesus. Like this guy. All right. Um I take the airphones off. It's crazy. Um just maybe like turn around. Okay. Um hooks or verses. Hooks or versus. I'm so happy you're gonna cover your face. I'm gonna go with versus lyrics or flow. Flow. Childish gambino or static major. Static. He can still see your face. All right.

Childish gambino or static major was a good one. That was good. Did I redo? That was good. Thank you. Drums or melodies. Melodies. Drums or flats? Flats. Rich or happy. Happy. Discover new artists or binge your favorites. Damn. Discover new. Lose your driver's license forever or permanent hiccups. You pissed me out. I knew it. I was like, that one pissed him off for sure. Damn. Those are my driver's license. So he cut. I'm gonna go with the fucking hiccup. That's gonna be tough in the studio, my friend. Yeah, but my baby gotta go to school, man. I gotta shit to do. Right. Yeah. Yeah, true. Well, you're gonna hit the last one. Um, go back to beat making full time or leave the music industry. Oh shit. Go back to beat making full time.

Then we're artistry, no more pen. You're just making, you're just a beat. Not even producer. Not just a beat maker. That's a beat maker, very. You're just making specifically. Beat well. Farewell, he's gone. Respect. That much. I thought it might be that. It's that bad. Yeah. Oh, wow. I don't want to be here that bad. Oh. To where I can't be myself. Okay. I love that. Yeah. It's not a sad at first. It's not a sad at first. I'm not. But it had a good like. Sounds sad because people look at it from a from a standpoint of where like they look at where you are and they say, you're lucky to be there. And I think at this point in my career, where I am grateful for the life that I have and where I'm at. But at the same time, like, man, at the end of the day, man, if I only have my family, I'm smooth, man. Fuck y'all. That's what T Ron talked about. So fucking Grammy, you know, winning songwriter. He was like, I'm getting out of, I'm getting into clothes and leaving my house and my family and my kids to come to a session with you.

Like we're here to make the biggest record that we possibly can. That's real. That's real. Or some or something that's gonna move something forward. Shout out to him being able to just bounce out motherfucking hits like Jack Lawrence. It's like almost a thing, bro. Let's not take that light. You know what I'm saying? Like he he is a real beast. Like he he is really one of those ones. And and and we just had a con small conversation recently, and we're supposed to get in, man. I'm holding you to it, bro. I'll make sure I hit him up about it. No, for sure. But um, but just on a yeah, man, like I'm leaving my family for this. Like, like, I'm I don't have to be here. No, I don't have to be here. So, and and that's not treat me any type of special way, but let's make this pleasant. Exactly. That's it. Let's make this pleasant. That's all it is. It's like, let's both put on our big boy pants or big girl pants, and let's like really try and give it our give it our best here. Yeah, let's give it our best. Let's have some fun. Let's make some dope records. Yes, exactly. Love it. All right. Well, this is the final section. It is the word association. Don't piss him off, bro.

He's about to piss me off. He's gonna piss you off. We'll see. Um, I'm gonna say one word, and you just give me the first word that you think of off the top of your head. That's how this goes. It's up to you. Not that fast, bro. I be chilling. You do starting with hip hop, Jay-Z. Tattoo. Whiz Cleaf. TikTok. Fuck it. Mars. Interesting. North Dakota. Cold. Nightmare. Dreams. Shall I make gas? Fucking BMW. Drake. King fuck. Golf. Chill. OnlyFans. Shout out to y'all. Lil. Uzi.

First. Down. God, Henry. I knew he was going to not get it. I knew he was gonna get that one, bro. It was kind of a tough one, but I was going for first lady under the first one. First lady. Pissing me off. Still, bro. He pissed me off with that one. He ain't had the point up. No. It's like it was so much. It's like bring it home. It's like touchdown, like football. Did the point throw you? You can't do gestures and shit. Oh god. If that didn't piss y'all off too much, as always, please like, comment, and subscribe. Follow us on Spotify Podcast, Apple Podcasts. If you fuck with this interview, this has been childish major. Woo! God, really, really big fan of yours, man. So appreciate you coming on. Thank you, man. I'm excited. I'm excited to see what what what 2024 brings you. Hopefully, Henry didn't piss you off enough for you to, you know, support the interview and all that fun stuff. But uh until next week, Henry, what are we doing? Getting out of here. Pissing people off.