YoDogg Interview: Cardo Got Wings Collab Album | Why Paying DJs is Dead

I really became a damn gumbo of what I liked about every artist. Don't copy nobody. Don't try to beat them. Take what you like and turn it into you. One more time. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back for another episode of the One More Time Podcast. I'm your host, Playback Ben, here with my co-host. Henry with the three, aka H3. H3, who do we have in hot seat today, my friend? Welcoming in on the podcast, because this is the part that I do, so. Okay, okay, okay. Welcoming in on episode 81 of the One More Time Podcast. Legendary record producer, it's Cardo Got Wings. No, bro. I said he dropped a project with Cardo. That's not Cardo. That's not Cardo. Damn. That's yo dog in the motherfucking building. We got yo dog. Yo dog. Big Dunn.

South Side's finest, Don Diego, the leader of the wolf pack. We got yo dog. Some hard nicknames. I know. Hard ones. Yeah. Like those are good. So you gotta earn them. Yes. Them ain't names, you just get they don't appear. Yeah. No, for sure. And so I was explaining off camera that like he, you know, he was like, how did you even, you know, find out about me? It's like, bro, I feel like I've found out about you from so many angles that it was long overdue that we got you here on the podcast. So Raised by Wolves is the most recent project that is a collab uh joint with Cardo Got Wings. Definitely. For those of y'all that are sleeping under a fucking rock, he's got a diamond certified track with Drake, God's Plan, Travis Scott's Goosebumps, just to name a couple. Go do your fucking homework. Please. But so the the wolf is like a it's a thing for you, but like what is the significance of it? The significance for real is like it's a couple, like the the dog I love the most, the most animal I done had been a husky.

You feel me? Like I love huskies the deal. Secondly, I'm Pisces. I spirit animal as a wolf. You feel me? Okay. Boom. Then it comes to like the pack, You know how they be like, like most people associate themselves with an animal just on some probably how they move or how they grew up or whatever the case may be. You may say you're a snake, you may say you're a gorilla. It's Like a spirit animal kind of thing. Yeah, you know, I really feel like the wolf is like how I came up. Like I was raised by a pack for real. they say it take a village. Like I really feel like I was raised by a pack, like a real wolf. Yeah, yeah. What if someone did self-identify as a snake? He was like, you know, whether you think you're a snake, yeah, that would be a snake or a rat. Like, those would be like the two worst animals to be your spirit animals. Yo, what's yours? I just think I'm a slug for real. You know, what I'm saying? like a sloth, probably. Just slimy, nasty fucking. Exactly, bro. I'm thinking like, I'm I'm like every animal. Yeah, I'm not like a dolphin or a killer whale type of shit.

That's all I know. Like, because I love the water, yeah. Like, I love the water. Dolphins are like sexual deviants, by the way. They like rape everything. Hunch everything. That was that was part of the reason behind my answer. No, for sure. So we had another person on the uh on the podcast talk about wolves. Uh Steve O, OG Parker's manager. Oh, Steve O. He he was trying to say that, like, is it true that alpha wolves can be in front of the pack and in the back? Is it is that a true for sure. Oh, all right, cool. You can fact check that for us. That's true. For sure. Okay. Because the alpha decide. It depends on the enemy. Sometimes you might got to send the pack first to test them to see if I was gone. So now you know how to engage because you the one. That's hard. You can, you know, you got to know how to maneuver in every situation. And the pack is protected from both ends that way. You gotta look out in the front. You need a leader in the back and a leader in the front. For sure. So how would you say the like pack mentality of the wolves translates literally into like your music career, your personal life? Like are there like parallels that you've seen behind like how you're moving in this music shit and like what a pack of wolves is up to?

For shit, sure. Like everybody that know me and know how I move my guys, I'm super militant. And like, Jayo, like me, like I'm goddamn the alpha wolf. Like, and it ain't in terms of me being the toughest nigga ever the whatever people may just think that is. It's like, nah, I got that too. I got that up top, and I'm on that. That's what make me like that one. And then everybody around me, like really play a position. They really got roles from mama wolf to little cubs wolf to the baby wolves to everybody. Like it's a whole pack, you feel me? Saying you a wolf don't just mean, oh, I'm on demon time, I'm on woot woot. Nah, we got wolves that ain't on none of that. They the nurturing ones, they the ones feed everybody. They the ones make sure everybody okay. They the one gonna come talk to you when you like, we a real pack. Like everybody play their role for real, for real.

Some great parallels. That's hard. Yeah, and you know, for me, I'm such a like nature documentary guy. So I love like, you know, life and and like, you know, all the David Attenborough shit where he's, you know, just you know, narrating the fuck out of these like insane animalistic environments. Like, I love the pack mentality, whether it's like African wild dogs or shit, right? Like the way they hunt, and I think even killer whales like hunting packs and shit too, right? Like, I I definitely think that that's you know, a uh it's called uh it's a different word for whales, though. Is it like a pod or something like that? Yeah, pod of dolphins and shit too, like the way they move in like unison and to your point, like militant like, you know what I mean, where they're just like marching towards you, you know, towards like a common goal. I feel like This is people we not too far away. I literally feel like the only difference between us and a dog or a dolphin or whatever the animal it may be is that we understand the concept of I got a time limit, like I'm gonna die one day. They're just living.

They I don't feel like animals and other things, like because I'm I'm real close to animals and the way they act and things they do, they can't understand the concept where I may die doing this. Like, why would a dog eat some poison if he you feel me? Like they don't get time, they don't understand, yeah. They don't understand the aspect, us understanding time and that it's an inspiration date, like it gotta be an infant. I feel it's really the biggest difference. And that brain and our head make us think we above an animal when we are just as of but no, that's interesting for sure. So so how did Cardo discover you? What's the story behind that? Mark B through Mark B. Shout out DJ Mark B. Once again, for those of you sleeping under a rock, 21 Savages DJ, amongst you know, super dope producer and just overall like music industry cat for sure. Crushing it. so how did Mark B discover you? Like, what's what's the backstory there? Yeah, where's the come up?

You know, I told you it was good. It's that purple. It's definitely good. Courtesy of the One More Time Studios. It's like, like I told y'all off camera, I really don't go outside. Like, I'm a real outside person, but not in the way of like going to clubs and things like that. So one of my homies, goddamn, his brother was a DJ. So they finally trying to get me outside. I had just dropped a project called Golden Child. And they like, bro, the only thing you need to do is go outside. People need to hear it. Like, DJs need to play it. I'm like, man, I don't care about that. I'm not about to pay nobody to play my music. I was that type artist. You feel me? So I finally go somewhere one day. And when I get there, break ing off the stage. Like to leave.

No. The person that I came that I knew was gonna play my music. Because that's the only way they really got me to go there. Cause they like, I know the DJ for real. He my one of my homies' brother. So he like, bro, I'm gonna play your shit. Like, yeah, how pissed were you when you saw him getting off the stage? Bro, my mind, like, I'm like, nigga, we done came to the club and like you leaving. I can't even get my music played. Like for someone who also doesn't like to go out, if I'm promised something that then is like crumbling before my eyes, I'm pissed at the homies. Man, I'm like, okay, but it's cool. Like, I'm like, shit, we here. Let's rock out. Mark B coming in. Everybody who with me already know who Mark B is. I don't, for real, like, at all. They're like, man, that's 217 DJ. I'm like, what? They're like, nah, even before that, like he DJ'd at my college. Like, he brought this person out. I'm like, I don't know who this is, and I'm not paying him whatever he's talking about for me to spin his music. What was he talking about?

I think initially, at that time. I think he probably told them like 75, 80 dollars. Okay. For one spin? Yeah. All the way through, yeah. Yeah. It's tough, man. I think, I think. Respect though. if he was getting that. If I'm wrong, I correct it. We're gonna figure it out. Mark B. When Marlo walked back in, fact check him. Marlo done the one or two estimates, though. Okay. You know what I'm saying? My pride too big at this time. I'm like, bro, I'm not walking up to nobody telling them how much the whoop-whoop. Man, they like, well, give us the money. I give it to him. Him and Ju. Man, him and Ju go, Ju don't even want to be here. I dragged him in the club. So it's crazy that he the one, you feel me? Like, so he's more of a homebody than you? Yes. Yeah. Ju is way more of a homebody than me. Like, oh god, he's one of my artists on top of the records. He on the way for sure. Shout out, yeah. Man, they go up there, they pam. He spin the song.

He say, Man, who the fuck is this? He spin it back like, bro, no exaggeration. Like, five, six, seven times, easy. Damn. Like dropping bones, running back. He like, who is this? Not knowing I'm in a section right in front of him, under the DJ booth. I'm like, shit, we here. We might as well get the section. Shit. Boom. Man, reach up. Like, nah, it's me. He instantly hand me his phone. I'm like, get my number. Just like that. I'm like, it's up. I'm Like, all right, cool. What was the song? Hood Star. Is it still around somewhere? On the video on YouTube still, but I had to take that whole project down once I got signed and shit. So but the video is on YouTube. We'll put a link below. Check that out. Hood Star for shit. Show. That's the video that really started all this. And if you go see the views to this day, the views don't add up to the things that happened to me so far. So don't be too worried about the numbers.

Like for sure. Don't be too worried about the numbers. Yo, it's safe to say you got your money's worth, though. 80 bucks for like five or six spins, that's a lot better than just one, right? Way better. Wait, he went crazy. I'm like, hold on. Like that's $80 he's ever spent. Bitch, I'm like, okay. Change your life. He started, he sent me some beats. No, I I haven't even dropped. No, I did drop Golden Child. I did a deluxe of Golden Child. And he had sent me some beats. And I'm like, all right, I'll rip them. Boom, boom. I add like two, three on to the deluxe. Drop that motherfucker. Boom. It's going crazy. Like, everybody fucking with it. Trouble reach out to me. RIP trouble. Cause he heard Hood Star and Joint. And he like, yeah, fuck with you. Mark B post Hood Star video on Instagram. Cardo seen it. D DM me instantly. Like, what's up? Him not knowing. I already know who he is for real. I'm like, oh yeah, it's over with. It's cool when stuff like that happens because someone can tell you that they fuck with you, right?

Like they like what you're doing, they following your movement. But when you get paid to play a song one time, you play it seven times. It's like that he clearly, definitely, genuinely liked it. He really started like booking sessions for me, bringing me to the studio, like, and then one session, he just like, bro, like I don't want to just make beats for you. Like, I feel like we can do something. Like, we can really go there. So we locked it in. Yeah. That's crazy. I mean, for me, like, for those out there that don't think it's worth paying a DJ, I mean, I don't know, bro. Yeah. It worked out pretty well in your scenario. Facts. It's definitely worth it, but it's worth it if you know you got that. Like I tell all my artists on my label, and any artists I come in contact with, like, if you I don't play my music to people for confirmation. I play it for affirmation. You feel me?

And I hope the viewers is not that slow. That was a bar. That was a bar. Yeah, like I if you playing for confirmation, you burnt. It should not be that. It should never be for confirmation. It should be, I know it's that. I'm just affirming it with you. I just want to make sure you're getting the same feeling I'm feeling. It ain't a question to me. Bro. Affirmation over confirmation. For sure. But how many artists out there do you think are like delirious and think that they're shit? Majority. Exactly. That's the hardest part about what you're saying. Because I feel it. Like with what you're saying, when it actually is true, and like the artist does have some shit to be, you know, affirming, I get it. But like there's also some fucking artists out there who should get a second opinion, talking about their music. Talk to them, Ben. Right. I'm just saying, man. Let them know. That's big facts. They're just saying, like I said, if you one of them elevated status, fit me in on Ricky Mode.

You on all manner. You gotta know you on all matters. Don't be acting like a rookie if you know your skill set on all matter. For sure. So, you know, Cardo hits you up, says he's fucking with your shit. You know, you said in another interview, he sends you some beats, you immediately fire him back. Wow. I'm recording at home at that time. Yep. So just like easy, you know. Same shit for you. Same instant. Like hours later. What? Minutes. I'm not crazy. I know who this is. And I don't know this guy from nowhere. He done cracked up in my DM. I'm like, oh yeah, I gotta get busy. Like, come on. Does it usually come to you that quickly? Or was that a rare thing where it was like the stars aligned? I think that's motivating. You know, that was my the project I dropped that all of them was saying was my 20th project, bro. 20. I done had other rap names, a bunch of junk. Folk that know. Like, I've been paying DJ Plug to drop my stuff on live mixtapes and DJ corrupt since I was like 13, 14, paying cash out my pocket. Been shooting, getting videos shot, all that.

Like, damn. So 20 projects in, like, how many times over that period did you want to give up? Can't count. Wow. Everybody around you would tell you, like, nah, I don't want them. Like, I bug up. Like, nigga, I don't need this. Like, I can't go do something else. Like, I don't, I don't gotta deal with this to get this. But my love for the music and shit, every time. And the people around me push me through. I'm like, nah, bro. And they end up saving me every time though. When it really get bad, like the music come through. Yeah, so like what did keep you going? Was it the support system and shit, or was it like, you know, some just insatiable thing that you had inside of you of like, I gotta fucking scratch this itch to do this shit? Like what was it? I feel It was 5050. My uncle who died, Courtney, who mostly managed me like my whole life.

He was like rest in peace, honk. Rest in peace. For sure. Like a shit show. He was one of the people that like I got that like how I just said earlier, don't look for confirmation, affirmation. He a person that I look for for confirmation, though. The only person I feel ever in my life I done look for for real confirmation. Like if he don't think it's cool, it ain't cool. Like if he don't, if he if he ain't rocking out to it, it ain't going. So it's like him pushing me really and me, and that being our bond, the music always drove me to do it. But then also that itch. You feel me? Just that I knew I could do it. Like I knew I was talented enough to end up in these positions I'm at today. I knew it. It's something we kind of talked about lately. So you think it's okay to take creative breaks? Yes, you have to. You will burn yourself out. Yeah.

You will burn yourself out. Live and prove. I burned myself out at a point. Like, boom, you sign, you got everything right here. I'm I'm a work horse. Like, ass folk. I go, I do this. Like the studio for real. Like the studio is my everything. We bringing the girls here. We gonna smoke here. We gonna party here. We gonna everything here, bro. I gotta be making music even when I wasn't even at the studio and was at my house, fucking t you was right there on what I'm doing. I'm recording. Like, I'm getting busy. Like, that's what I do. So so over those, you know, 20 projects, what would you say was like the biggest L you took? Is there one thing that kind of sticks out as like fuck? Like that was that was kind of a tipping point of like I was really, really about to quit because of some fuck shit. Trying to think it's just so many times a nigga wanted to really be like it's over with. Is it mostly like business stuff, business deals and stuff?

Business stuff. It's me knowing I'm talented enough and I ain't gonna even name the label, but me meeting with people and they like the whole office, like people walking out their rooms to come listen to the music. They're like, it's it. And guess what they do to me? And I'm young, I'm 16, 17. They flip the camera around and say, but look at your views. You know, like they're like it's hot. it's crazy, like it's amazing. But these folks literally poured up how many people lived in my city and put my views next to it? Shit. That sounds like a yeah, like no cap. Oh man. Come on now. They really trying to be like, bro, you nobody that would be tough. Even though, Like, I done always had my areas and people that knew me now, always miss with me. Like, and I'm like, okay. I feel like that was one of the biggest things that was like, nah, like you gotta show and prove. Because if this has gone.

So as someone who's you know, got aspirations of owning a label and like breaking other artists following in your you know, footsteps or whatever, right? Like, do you see where they're coming? Like, you know what I mean? How much of the the data are you gonna be going off of when you're putting money behind artists, you know, for your label, for example? It's like it's interesting playing for both kind of sides. It's it's fitty fitty because it's like at the end of the day, every artist that really transcends, they either have that connect directly with the fans to where we don't know why this music is doing this good, but it is like a Kodak, like a Kevin Gates, like a person that's like a young boy, like they don't gotta be played on the radio, none of that. But people are connecting. People are connecting, and then it's gonna be another group, batch that's like if we push this, we put as much money possible, this is gonna go because it's good enough to go. And you gotta have discernment on both ways. You shouldn't shun nobody because they don't got the most lyrical spiritual stuff, but you know how to connect, and you can't shun an artist that like he may not got the numbers, but he got the connection if we were able to put some fire on it.

Yeah, I definitely don't envy the the job of like record label ARs and you know executives because it's like to your point, it's like this chicken or the egg bullshit, right? Where it's like you need views, but you don't have money, so it's harder to get views. But to your point, there is this select weird group of artists that find a way to build this like strong fan base, bro. Where it's like you don't understand. Straight to the audience. Yeah, it's like you know, SoFaygo, you know, is also one that I look at, right? Like obviously now he's got you know label connections or whatever, but prior to that, the reason why the label was you know fucking with it so hard is because like you look at it, you look at his numbers, and it was like, how are you rallying the internet so crazy around you? You know what I mean? It's cult fans, it's people that are like spreading him to their fans. Now these people that that that he's like the only person they listen to, and that's why I feel made me a rarity. Is I can't do that. That's not my game. I'm one of them rare instances. I feel like literally me rapping into a microphone and it being good enough to people like it.

Where I, bro, before I got signed, bro, I had probably 2,000 followers, bro. I'm not a social media nigga. Like at all. Like. And I feel like you still don't think that that could happen to you, though? It's gonna happen. Because now I'm able to produce the music in a way that is gonna be seen. Like, yeah, like, and it's at a high level now where it's in folk face, so it's gonna happen for sure. But like I say, it's different. If you know how to do that, like, because that's a talent, like, that's a talent to know exactly what to post. Oh, trust me. People talk about how it's like abstract art. It's like I don't know if it's good or not, maybe. It's like artists nowadays need to be leveling up their music skills equal as much as their content creation skills. And it's this weird fucking thing where it's like rappers didn't sign up to be fucking TikTokers, but bro, you gotta do it. How you get your numbers up now.

That's it. Got to. So it's short. You're doing YouTube shorts. And it'd be like, before that's what I'm saying. Like, I'm gonna speak on both ends. Like, before I'm like, nah, I ain't doing none of that. Not being signed to being on inside knowing, like, oh, I gotta do that. So that's it. See, he's playing both sides of the game. I'm like, oh, say no more. Like, okay, like, man. I I think you're interesting at least because you do you're smart enough to understand that it's necessary. Now, whether you want to like be doing it as much as you need to, that's a whole other thing. But there's so many people who have even sat up here and like just don't even think that it's important. And it's like you're smart enough to realize, like, bro, this is the game. How far you want to go. Yeah. Exactly. How far you want to go. Yeah. Decide that. So, and that's what broke a lot of artists' heart because you you thinking of where you want to go, but you ain't thinking of what it really takes to get there. I know exactly where I'm trying to end up at and exactly what it's gonna take for me to get there.

Once I get there, man, you can do whatever the hell you want. Yeah. Now that's that's so true, man. I mean, I can't remember who we also had on, but it's exactly that of like, you know, before this person, I can't remember who it was, man. But they were talking about like before I started working with someone, like you can smell the hunger. Like whether it's there, it's come up a couple times, I think. Yeah, well, yeah, I think it was Naj, who's you know, you know, US AR manager for TikTok and has been at LVRN and you know, others, right? He talked about like recognizing it earlier, recognizing whether these artists or you know, any creative really, whether you're seriously willing to do everything, what the fuck it takes. Yeah, and it takes a lot. I'm telling you. So much, man. Yeah, it'd take a lot. Do you think that you thought it, you know, took a lot more before you got signed, or now that you're signed, do you think like, oh fuck, it really takes a lot. You know what I mean? Like, did you already know? It's like I knew, but I ain't no. You don't ever really know until you in the situation.

You really don't. You feel me? And then you realize, like, nah, this take work that you said earlier. You ain't even signed up for like, like, I gotta do what it's not what you want to do. Come on. man. Guarantee that. Yeah. It's not your first thing. It's not all just, you know, recording sessions. Yeah, people do I wish it was for you guys. I really wish that it was. Record, Put the music out, shoot some videos. Yeah, and just and just the best artist wins. Like I wish that was the thing. No, not the game. It's a whole algorithm. It's a lot of things going on, man. For sure. Hey, you gotta, how far you trying to go? Do you think the do you think the uh you think the paid DJ spin strategy still works in 2023? Nope. Think that's over with now? Over. Yeah. Gunshot. Dead. Dead. Over with. RIP to the DJ. It's not the same anymore. Ain't no. If you're gonna go pay now, you gotta spend some money.

So the price went up. You know what that mean. You know what that mean. Not even just that. Cause now I feel like it already been in that wave, like low-key. People just don't know yet. Like it been a wave of what happened to me for a few artists, like of us going from literally just making our music with this little bitty pocket of people knowing about us to like I can name multiple. Like, and that done even been up here. Like for real. Like, that's just randomly. I feel like the last guy that's an example of coming up kind of like that, it's money man. So everything he's doing. He's still managed to be like kind of the underground street rapper that like everyone in Atlanta knows about, but outside of that, you know, there's not much going on, right? Yeah, unless you tapped into like the super, super underground, and that's where you get to coming in to the to the Yo Dawgs, to the surf, yeah, to the Tony Snows. Call him out.

You feel me? Nah. Like, it's a whole wave cooking. Like, and folk ain't really paying. I ain't gonna say folk ain't paying attention. Cause the right people is, and that's what makes it crazy. Like, the right people already know what's going on and see the next generation of people from the Ken Carson to the motherfucking Rock Kings. Like, come on. Yeah. Yeah, no, absolutely. So I did want to dive a little bit more into the you know, Raised by Wolves project. So, like, what was the the making of the album like? You know, I mean, like, did you lock in with Cardo in person? Where is it like sending beats over email? Like, you know, talk to us about like the making of the project. Uh majority of it was uh sending beats. Yeah. You feel me? But I feel the meat of it was us together, parlay together, was outside together. Love that one.

Um was Funyuns together. I think Funyuns was together, trying to think of all the records off them motherfuckers right now. Even on the ones that were email beats, does Cardo see the kind of guy that's will help like even after you record, you know, have some kind of input and do some post-production? For sure, but I ain't gonna lie. I feel like he loves what I do so much, he rarely do that. Yeah, he do it more when we in person. Okay. You feel me? When he in person, because he like you if I send it, he like, nah, yo did exactly what he was supposed to do on it. But in person, he like, I see exactly where you could Now he can actively he can actively say something, like, yeah, nah, keep this flow. Cause I like to switch. I don't like to stay on the same flow for more than four bars. But it'll be on a part of the beat where it's like, you got to, yo, you got to. I don't care. I'm about to swerve this motherfucker. And he'll tell me if we in person, like, nah, keep that flow.

Keep bouncing on you bouncing. Like people want to hear that. You want to hear what you want to hear. But like, keep your flow. Doing some vocal production. I like that. I just think that's so cool, right? To challenge artists. I think that's what when the best music is made, bro, is that like another set of like, you know, reputable ears and someone who has a track record of making fucking hits. Like, you're gonna at least try what what he's saying, right? You got to. Whatever you're saying. Yeah. But it did remind me when you were saying how like he trusts you or whatever. Yeah. Why did, why did, you know, DJ Khaled, when he's talking about Drake, he's like, I like what Drake like. I don't know why that popped in my head, but it's like Cardo being like, I like what Yo Dog like. It's actually there's an underrated skill as a producer of just like, you know, working with, you know, like people that you already like their sound and recognizing when something is good, you know, like you don't have to change something just to change it. Yeah, just for the sake of changing for sure.

Yeah. That's the worst. Um, so how do you like to create, right? So, you know, Cardo sends a beat, like what you know, what's your vibe you're setting? You said you record yourself at home. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. Now I be, hey, I still got my setup and I still cook up the. But most of the time now I'm in the studio. I'm in the big studio. Man, damn. Big old mixing board and shit that you don't ever touch, you you know, when they put a laptop on top of it and hook the aux up. Yeah, And that's where I'm at most of the time. Unlimited snacks, beverages, all that. But that's what you want. Yeah, you definitely want to. Definitely do. Like, my favorite studio is Paramount. Like, that's my favorite studio. Like although now it's gonna be the one more time studios because we got unlimited purple. That's right. Huh. No cap, I was like, and both of you guys have been like choking a little bit on it. I did. Oh god. Unlimited purple and it's smoking. Yeah. It's Smoking. So So, well, we would. Yeah, are you like a, no, just like talking about how you create, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, you know, so you're obviously in the studio. Don't write. Don't write. You punch in, right? Don't write. Yes. I don't write at all. Like I straight I don't even pre-listen the beats before I come to the studio for real. Unless I'm working on like reference tracks or trying to make like a certain type of song. But for my music, like when I really go record, like, nah. I want to hear that beat right then. My first thought, I wanna do it. Yeah. Let's go. Every time. There's something to be said about definitely when you hear something too much. And it can happen fast if you listen to something too much. When you're working on a song, if you don't, if you lose the vibe of it, it's is it's like is it even worth continuing on it? And I'm already unorthodox. Like that's why me and Cardo, his beat making and me rapping so good. So it's like my first thought is always a little left, like once I go do it. Like I done really been in studios and like producers, like, bruh, you you off beat, or like, you know, like oh, I think you should slow down or speed up or whatever. And I'm like, wait till I finish what I'm doing.

Then they like, oh damn, like this all came together. Yeah. I like to cook like that. So that's why I feel like me and him is a good match, because I don't write and I like to be able to sporadic think. I like to be able to say whatever, do whatever flow I want to do at any point on the beat. Like I like be able to just paint. Just go crazy. People that rap like early or late, the people that like them, I think like them for that. That's their it's part of the style. It's like jazz musicians playing like whatever the fuck note they want to, and it's just jazz. You know, it's like it's part of their style. No, I mean, whatever it is. It's funny. I was literally gonna ask my next question about like what do you think works so well between you and Cardo? And you just like took the, you know, it's like read my mind if that was what I was gonna ask next. That was that was fire. So yeah, it's it's yeah, it's kind of that unorthodox delivery that you have his production can like tolerate that. Whereas other producers, maybe it would sound like a little jarring. He don't overcloud the beats, exactly what you mean by jarring.

He don't put too many instruments for me to not be able to go where I want to, He don't force a lane. That's the biggest thing I hear right there between just beat makers that are playing their beats back and beats that I hear on the radio. The placement beats are always minimal. Yeah, there's never you don't have these giant horn sections up in the mix doing the most. Like there's gonna be a lead vocal on it. If it's hip hop, you know, assuming there's gonna be a lead vocal on it. So and don't get me wrong, like, because like on Nick's project, it's hella other producers. Like, it's just like not over clouding it. Like, still, if you whether it's your dog or not, but if you're trying to really, like you say, get a placement with them, leave room for them to create too. And it can still be intricate. It's not saying you have to just be the simplest shit ever, but leave room. Leave room for them to Be able to be another instrument on it, not to just have to rap. The voice is the last instrument. Mm-hmm. So 20 projects in, right? Like, how have you evolved?

Like, what's the biggest difference between like first project yo dog to 20th project Yo Dog? Bro, I'm like fucking, I'm a monster now. Like, I'm fucking super saiyan. What's the end, nigga? Like, I'm the highest Super Saiyan level ever. Go to it. And it's still going. Like, it's getting worse and worse. Or better and better, I guess. Glass half full. Worse for us. Worse for everyone else. Worse for the competition. Yeah. Better for Yo Dog. It's like damn. I just lost my dog. Damn. Is it kind of like the 2,000 hours thing at this point where it's like. Yeah, it's like I done lift so many weights. Like, I'm just tossing shit now. It's like you throw me whatever in the gym, and I'm just nigga, get that out of here. Like, you know, it's like I really did that. I'm a nigga that for years locked myself in the basement and recorded. I didn't go to a club, a fucking concert. I've been to two concerts in my life. Wow.

I'm telling you. That's wild. Which ones? Um, J. Cole, Forest Hill Drive. Amazing. 2014. Yeah. I think That's when it was. Yeah. Crazy. Amazing. Man, that's what really made me want to like take rap serious. can't lie. Like, on some extra extra. Just what about it? That show, you mean? Yeah, that show. That album, it's like. It's probably his best album. Yeah. Arguably, for sure. Some people did that. That and bull and center, for sure. Um, what's the other damn concert I've been to? Damn. I'm trying to remember. My own concert. I just remember mine was crazy. Yeah, that was ridiculous. But I know it was future, Thug, YG, Big Sean. Who the hell I went to see, man? It's like a festival. No, that's, that's Forest Hills Drive. That's who I opened up for, a broker. Oh, shit. I'm trying to think of a concert I've been to after that. Damn, I'm forgetting something. That might be it. That's who I opened up for him at that shit. And that's why that shit was so legendary.

bro. Wow, it's A little different than we thought. That sounds like a Coachella lineup. Like we at Lakewood. Yeah. Damn. On me. Wow. Yeah, Lakewood. Like. Damn, that's crazy. But like, so what else did you do besides putting in the reps, like recording, right? What you know, were you studying people at all? Or like, like, what else influenced you to make you become better, right? You know what I mean? Or was it just strictly the like hours recording? I feel like it goes back to when I tell my uncle a real music head, like a sit me down. He's my dad's youngest sibling. Okay. So I'm like his little brother in a way. Yeah. So he will sit me down and play blueprint, play food and liquor, and break it, not just play it. Like, you get what he said right here. Yeah, like this got a triple entendre. This is you feel me. Like, he he loved music so much. That's why I said was he was half of my real push because he really that was our connect with the music in that sense a kid.

Like I ran around with him. He really teaching me about music, like good music. He a super hip-hop head. Like the shit I like while I'm coming up, Soulja bunch hated it. He like, what garbage? Like, you feel me? Like, it's cool. Like, I get what y'all doing, but garbage. Yeah, going from Lupe Fiasco to... He was my first hater. He was telling me, like, it is music. all right? wow. Once I knew, that's why I said he was my first. Confirmation. Boom. Like, once he started being like, nah, you going crazy. Like, tripping. it meant a lot to you. Yeah. Boom. Because yeah, like learning about the structure of the song and like where that sample came from and oh, what kind of harmonies a singer does right here. It makes it so much more interesting. Exactly, because we've had a lot of people on the show who have talked about like their uncles or parents or you know, brothers, sisters, friends, whoever, that have put them on music. So it's one thing to get put on just like to hear the other music, Mm-hmm. but to have it like broken down as to like what the fuck is happening in this music and why it makes it so good. What makes it special. Yeah, that's true. I'm really showing me the difference between classes.

I argue, y'all ever come to one of my studios sessions, I argue about music all the time. This is like my favorite pastime. It's healthy for the love, like how niggas argue about sports. Yeah, they gotta argue about music. If you're not arguing about sports, are you enjoying it? Like, that's it's the competition, you know? Music, he really broke it down to like really letting me know, like, bro, this is who do this, like this who do that. He's good for this, he's good for that. This is what I like. Now I feel I really became a damn gumbo of what I liked about every artist, and that's what I be telling people on all my lives about innovating. Don't copy nobody, don't try to beat them. Take what you like and turn it into you. Yes, yeah. It starts with being inspired. Mm-hmm. What was the most recent studio argument? Can you remember like what you were arguing about? The 808 is out of key. By me telling people, Never mind. No, come on, we need it. Let's go. We're halfway there. I was arguing about gravity. And I said, I don't believe in gravity.

Oh god, it was a scientific thing. That was the last argument. are you a flat earther? Flat earther. Are you? Yeah. Oh god. Flat earther. So you you follow Kyrie on Twitter. No, no, I don't even be on. I told you I don't be on social media. True. Yeah, you did say that. Hell no. Man, you gotta get a team to handle your Twitter or something, bro. Yeah. I don't say nothing though. Actually, I did look at your Twitter. Do you want to know what it is? What? All retweets. This dude hasn't tweeted an original tweet in like seven months. I was like, God, I'm not getting much other than like him retweeting people that are tweeting his music. I was like, well, that's cool. I get on there and retweet, but nah, I gotta get on it. It was just all tweets about your project that other people had tweeted, and I was like, all right, this is like cool that's just what it looks like when someone told you that it was important. but you don't really want to do it. Like, I don't believe in gravity, y'all gonna get it. It's on some real satire, like it's called the theory, right? Of gravity. The theory of gravity. The definition of theory. It's

my best. I think it's unproven. Theories are unproven. I be coming from that tight way. Like, nigga, just stop believing everything. Like, you can subscribe. Yeah, it'd be coming from that level. Like, I'll be talking. I think we need a whole part two for this discussion. Okay. I don't know if we have enough time to cover this. I think I think mindsets are being like morphed, you know. Yeah, for sure. I'll just leave it at that. That's funny. No, so what I think is real special about you, man, to be honest, is like your ability to blend that like authentic Atlanta street shit with like the more artsy creative, you know, visuals and even just like the wolf themes and some of that like artsy shit that like a lot of street dudes might not even care. Right when you pick these beats. That too. The beat selection and the visuals, like the visuals for the raised by wolves songs. I think there's like three, four, three, three videos out, maybe so far.

And and they're all just, I mean, they're simple. They create a world. They're simple yet so creative and engaging that like even the one where you and Carter are just in one room for the whole video. Somehow it kept it engaging and like it was creative, right? In that sense. And and man, shout out to you guys for being able to do that because artists are always quick to fucking bitch about, like, oh, I can't do a music video for this. It's too expensive, blah, blah, blah. You guys were in a fucking room, and that was it. I spent all expenses on them videos. Like, I ain't gonna say there's that number, but like it was low. Ish. No. No, that one might have been slightly lower, but the other one's probably not. Hey, look, I'm gonna put it this way. I shot all them videos in three days. Wow. All together. Same location sweeping, in and out of rooms, going to different spots here and certain shit like that. Hey, uh uh. Hefty price, hefty.

It's something about the limitations though. when you're limited, it kind of forces you to be creative in different ways. You know what I mean? Yeah, but the one where y'all are just in the one room, the major expense. Was that the third one you shot? Was that like the last one? No, that one it was through the days, but okay. That one had to be the easiest one. Yeah, for sure. But it also the most expensive part about that had to just be all the money you guys were fucking around with, right? Definitely, you feel me. I'm like, because the set was, you know. I shot these videos on film. Oh, wow. So it was the way, every video they burnt out. Pay attention now that I said it. Damn. I shot every one of these videos. Do y'all know how much film cost? I didn't either? Is this one tiny? I did not pay. I had a full crew. A full crew. I'm already now. I'm having a person in a diaper, they holding him by a damn thing while I'm riding the bike. He recorded me while I'm riding the street. Was that the pizza one? Yeah, the pizza delivery. You feel me? That was hard. We bought that pizza spot out for that.

Like, it was no business. This wasn't a bandit pizza spot. Like, once we got done, they opened up for business. So, so how did you choose the director for those? Because it was the same director for all three? Yeah. How did you choose that person? Um, through Mez. I'm trying to remember. Mez, Mez, as in like Mez. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, he made music. I saw Harris Entertainment, and yeah, he's a super fire rapper. I wish he was like dropping more music, but now I think he's focusing on his like For sure. Yeah, his visuals and shit. He tapped me in with Aaron, Aaron D. Like, he. he um based out of New York. And like soon I seen his work, I'm like, cause it's crazy. Like, okay, so it was like you got put on, you saw what he had already done before, and you were like, okay, this guy can execute what I'm trying to do. Mez like shit. I helped, you know, direct it, come up with these treatments, things like that. And him and um Aaron really.

Yeah, because Mez is a North Carolina guy. Facts. Yeah, yeah. So he he's from like Durham, I think, or some shit. Or yeah, yeah, because like I got put on to him because I went to school at UNC Chapel Hill. So yeah, so I I got put on Mez from a college. I got the biggest library in the world. Really? Yeah. It makes sense. There's like four libraries there. Also, the basketball season just started. He hasn't mentioned UNC in a long time, and then of course they're number one right now. We're number one. I didn't even want to rub it in. Make sure to bring it up. Yeah, I missed with UNC, man. Found a way to squeeze it in there. I missed with them thing with the UNC in it. Yep. Yep. So, okay. How do the treatments then come to life? So you choose Aaron. Like, is it a collaborative thing, or did he come to you with a treatment? I fucking literally type out hella shit on my phone. Oh, really? Da, da, da. Send it to Dante. Or am I like? Like, I type a whole motherfucking my way of a treatment. You feel me?

The most roughest way ever. Send it over. When they take that, made it realistic. Got now added things, took some things out, you know, made it. Like, okay, we get where you're going with it. Like, the look you trying to go for. Okay, let's do it. I think that's what you want, right? That's in a video team for sure. Yeah, but so I'm always interested to hear this. Like, when you made each of those songs, was the visual already pretty much No. All right. I I recorded too quick. Yeah. Yeah, I record too quick. So then you did have to like sit down and think about like, okay, cool. What's this video? Okay, yeah, yeah. Interesting. Because some people like have this real movie like shit in their head when they're making the song. He's busy thinking of the next bar. Like the car spinning, the suit, the snipers, like these things I had typed down. There's notes in the damn, like, yo, the dude, you know, the duo with the masks. That the acting was so you guys are like so like caricatures of people. So funny. Man, it was funny as hell. That had to have been hilarious. Some acting gigs in your future. I ain't gonna lie, that's the funny.

Definitely, man. Hey, let's go. All acting roles, fucking. modern. Was that you and Cardo? In those masks? Okay, yeah. Well, because you can't really tell with the mask. So, like he the one bought the damn MacBook and threw it. That's him. Okay. Shout out. Because y'all look so... on the One More Time podcast. You look so goofy. It was amazing. Like it was perfect for the scene. People are walking out their house. Imagine we on the street. Exactly. We ain't legally blocked off this street. And we people is walking out their house like, yo, what is going on? It's two folk with masks walking up the street. Like, until they see the camera people, how do you feel? You walk out your house and would have seen this. I would have gone back in the house. For sure. Yeah. Today, not today. Not today. Calling sick to work. Be like, there's two guys in masks outside my house. House I can't come. On me. That jump was the funniest thing I never did so far. No, it they they turned out amazing, man, for sure.

So we talked about this briefly. You know, you have your own label already. Shout it out one more time. Ty Forever Records. Tied Forever Records. How many artists do we have on the on the roster so far? Oh, right now, I think like four or five. Okay. And so we got Yeah, go ahead. Judah Prophet, We got Lil Geek. We got Benji Stone. Yo, Lil Geek's hard. Yeah, we saw him at the uh at the Finders Keeper show, I think, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was crazy. Yeah. Shout out to my boy D Man too. Crazy. Awesome. So you have aspirations of becoming like a Diddy Coach P or Coach K peak, you know, kind of character, you know, from what you said in another interview. What do you think it actually takes to get to that level, man? Like, what's the plan? You know? Having the eye having that ear. You actually doing it for yourself. You feel me? Like, Diddy already had done it before Bad Boy came to exist. He already knew what it took to make a hit to accomplish things in the music.

So now let me go apply the program. Like, so with P, the same thing, QC wasn't his first move he ever did in music. Nah, he was able to do that move because the experience he done learned. So really, you gotta learn. You gotta really take everything on with this game, soak everything up, every meeting. Anybody you come in, contact to that is at a point that you want to be a be at. You gotta soak up the information. Yeah, you seem like a sponge and like someone that likes to learn A learner. A shit show. Which I I think that's what's gonna be a big part of like why. I mean, obviously the music's incredible, and like your work ethic seems like that too. But I feel like so many people are just not open-minded enough and like know what they don't, you know. It's okay to know that you don't know something and like want to learn it. You know what I mean? It's Necessary to admit that you don't know things. Yeah, I would say you have to be able to do that. Because you're gonna stay slow, and that's what I meant about the wolf pack, The wolves ain't arguing about who doing this and who doing that. Like, nah, nigga, like if you man, this man's smart, he know what he's talking about.

We're not about to go with you because you got damn whatever. Like, nah, man, chill. Like, everybody is good at what they good at, man. Put them people there, have them people be able to speak on you. Cardo can sit there, Dante can sit there, Mark can sit there, Mark B can sit there and say things by me. You should do this, you should do that. They're in the studio with me. They listen in. they actually listen to music. They do shit. You think I'm gonna let somebody that don't even listen to music, tell me what I should be doing in the studio? No. It don't make sense. It's interesting, like that approach though. Some people are okay, like, you know, because it goes back to the whole like a basketball coach doesn't have had to like play basketball to necessarily be like the top coach. But I guess I guess to that point though, they're still like tangentially involved. Yeah. Yeah, as I was watching. No, true. I ain't say you had to make music. Know what you're talking about. Like, really, it's like listen, understand the sound, understand what's going on. Like, but they never felt going on.

Why it's special? Like I said, aunt said to me, is a lot of people that don't even know why they like what they listen to. Like, but the coaches never felt what it's like to take the game winning jumper. That's true. Oh, man. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. So you mentioned in another interview about like, yeah, you know, making sure that you know you stand out and that you're differentiated like from the other people out there. Like, what would you say? Like, how would you sum up the differentiation of Yo Dawg? Like, what is special about what you got going on in your sound? I feel I don't sound like nobody. You don't hear my music and be like, think of nobody. Mine is like, shit, it's Yo Dawg. Like I can definitely attest. My cadences, the pockets I'm able to get into, the way I'm able to come in on beats, like is is different. Some people ain't heard.

Like I said earlier, it ain't about being the most lyrical spiritual person. Like, that's not what I'm in it for. I'm not just in it to prove, like, oh my God, I'm the best rapper ever. Nah, but I know I'm hard as hell. Like, I want to be respected for what I do, like, and the level I do it at. And I know I'm better than most motherfuckers. Like, period. So I feel like everyone's always trying to improve, even like a Kendrick or a Cole or whatever, right? But at the same time, they've clearly found kind of their pocket and like, you know, found their sound. Do you think you're there? Like can you feel it? Like recently? it's on the way. On the way still? Yeah, it's on the way. Okay. Cause like a lot of songs we're gonna drop on my next project, they recent, you know. Like they songs that's like, nah, this gotta go. Like, because you in your bag, like you hitting another level. Like, my vault is deep, like, super deep. I got too many songs.

We could just drop a project every other week if we wanted to. Like, that ain't the purpose. Like, that's a good problem. They really want me to put out my best work for real, for real. Like, so that I feel like I'm I'm I'm getting there. Getting there. It's on the way. Okay, for sure. It's on the way, For sure. So you mentioned an upcoming project. Can we get a one more time exclusive? Can we get a date? Can we get a name? What are we doing? Man, Diego's way. Diego's way. For sure. That's hard. Is that the first time you've announced that? I think so. Let's go then. We love it one more time. exclusive. Definitely on camera. For sure. Yes, sir. When can we expect it? Uh top of niche, yeah. Thinking like another 10. What? song? Kind of piece? Yeah. Probably a little more. Give me a little more this time. Okay. Yeah, you know. Like, like I said, I got so much music, you know. So we about to get some of that, some of the hardest hit. Absolutely, man.

Well, yo, I'm excited for that shit. Because if you think, or if you're telling me that it's you more in your bag than you were on on uh Raised by Wolves, I can't even imagine. So I'm I'm looking forward to it. Henry, we have entered a final segment of the podcast. Where the fuck are we at? Oh shit. Oh shit. Oh shit. Oh shit. This is the rapid fire rampage. What's going on? Exactly. What is going on? It's gonna be a three-part rampage. Okay. We'll just go part by part. First part is just some simple short answer questions. Simple. They're simple ish. Simple to medium. Kind of range. You'll be the judge. Part one. This is the short answer with yo dog. One more time podcast, episode 81. What is your mother's maiden name, the name of your first pet, and the last four of your social security number? I'm Not saying none of that. My first pet has got the name on Lex.

Lex? You can get that. Okay. Don't give him any more. That's that's already more than I was expecting. Did not think that's where that was going, Henry. Neither. Neither. You're a wolf for one day. What do you do? I'm gonna go hunt all day. We're about to go crazy. Just get all the deer. There's hella deer around here. They're around. All of them. We need a maul. We need a fucking mound of deer. A deer pile. A giant pile. Yeah, he wants a deer feast. Crazy. Thanksgiving for the wolves, man. Oh. So uh this is a new one. I'm gonna I'm gonna do a compilation. So you're the first one. What day is the first day of the week? Sunday. One vote for Sunday. Wow. I think we'll do like 20 of these to be fair. Episode 100. We drop the compilation. A chicken walks in the studio right now wearing a top hat. What's he doing?

What? I don't know. I don't know what he doing, or what he up to? up to? But if he opened that door, What are you doing? I'm confused. He coming for that JJ's. Aren't we all? He's gonna look at that joint like, all right. This they put some shit in this. Definitely. Yo, is that the purple stuff? Was not expecting that question. No, me neither, man. Purple stuff was a code for DMT, ladies and gentlemen. So that's why you guys are tripping. Hey. I fuck with the goddamn psychedelics. Yeah, the spirit drug. The uh maybe you could turn into a wolf. Don't do drugs. The psilocybin. Mushrooms. Hell, yeah. Hell yeah. What is the best way to get rid of a body? He's stuck. He's like narrowing down. No, that was it.

Oh, that was it. Oh, yeah. No, fair enough. Fair enough. Fair enough. That'll work. On a scale of one to ten, how would you rate Ben as an interviewer? He a ten. Wow. Wow. I knew I like this guy. Very generous. All right. This next one is a fan favorite. Sorry, Henry. Yeah, no, that happens. You must get rid of three states. Which states do you delete? Hmm. What is New Mexico? Who is the first one to do the worst? The actual Jeopardy. Wow. That's fire. That's one? Fire. That's one. That's one. Wow, no one's done that. before. What's some other random states? You tell us. Two of them gotta go. What is North and South Dakota? Okay. That can be Canada. Take both of the Dakotas. That can be Canada and that can be Mexico. But but keep Alaska, which is way the hell up there.

All right. Fair enough. I like the confidence. Nice. The wolves outside ain't going to have Alaska. Yep. That's true. The wolves okay. All right, last one of the short answer. What is your favorite curse word? Bitch! That was amazing. Part one. Part one. Not bad. The what is for the Jeopardy answer? Extra points Fire. easily for that. Absolutely. Yep. The second part out of three is the this or that. I'm gonna give you two choices. You pick one. Simple enough. Let's do it. Rampage! Keys or strings. Keys. What I'm gonna do with the strings. Leave a key. He's thinking of literally car keys and like strings from your shirt or some shit, bro. I saw his mind literally like go through what the hell am I doing with these? No, like you know, elements of a beat perhaps.

These questions are open for interpretation. So that's the beautiful part of that. And he interpreted it the way opposite way that I did. His answer was fine. You're actually interrupting, so if we could continue to this or that, I would very much appreciate that. Moving on. Apologies. Stacks or ad libs. Ad libs. Drums or melodies? Drums. Drums or flats. Drones. Rich and famous or rich and unknown. Rich and unknown. Get left with a cliffhanger. You shut up. That's the worst one I've ever heard. Only wear pink forever, or give a Soulja Boy yell every time you enter a room. I don't do that. Yell. Every time, yeah. What? You're gonna embrace it too. Sounds kind of fun.

Yeah, it's gonna be your new thing. Walking in fresh as fuck doing a yule is better than wearing pink every day. You heard it. Get slapped by a nine-year-old once a day, or slap a nine-year-old twice a day. I'm slap nah, yo. Slap. Here they go. Face out of my two. Don't do that no more. Whatever you done did. Part two. Part two. Part two. That was good. That was part two. Did good. It's all gonna come down to this last part though. That's gonna dictate whether you make the hall of fame that we keep talking about starting, but we haven't done it yet. But there will be a rapid fire rampage hall of fame. This is the word association. I'm gonna say one word. You just say one word back. Maybe two. Just the first thing off the top of your head. Rampage! Hip hop. Can't stop. That ain't even a word.

That's two. No, that was hard. That was a great first answer. Yeah. First thing that comes off to the ground. Where'd your confidence go? That was hard. Artist. Smartest. I love where this is going. It's gonna be great. Mustache. Kushstache. It's the first one of this kind. Depression. Recession. We're gonna have a verse by the end of this, ladies and gentlemen. Album on the way. This is making the project. Oh fuck. Strip club. Damn. Girl pub. Hey, leave strip. You're going to cockroom. Amazing.

Okay, I need a second. Get it together, Henry. Chopper. Stopper. Quesadilla. Mamma Mia. God. I really did. I thought I had him on that one. You give him like a fucking hard one now at this point. Plunger. Remember those. What the fuck? Go with plunger. Plunger. Tundra. Like, what the fuck? Damn it. L. Snail. Lil. Bill. Lil' Bill. That new Lil' Bill tape was hard. Yo, Lil' Bill is going crazy right now. That new Lil' Bill is going dumb. Listen. Lil'. Drug. Hook. Scam.

Scam. Ham. TikTok. TikTok. Let's hear it. That's the point. First thing that comes off. I'm about to say drip drop. Go ahead. I feel like that wasn't the original one. That's actually cool. But that's okay. Podcast. Yeah, man. His streak is over, folks. the correct answer was one more time. One more time. And finally. That's hard. Why y'all put that one last? It gives you a chance to. No, I have got the last one. You're gonna like the last one. But that gives you a chance to shout us out. You didn't do it. We're moving on. So you failed that test. Raised by wolf. This has been Yo Dawg. ladies and gentlemen. As always, please like, comment, and subscribe. If you fuck with the interview, go stream raised by wolves.

New project on the way. Hey. Let's get it. Trap in, it's the beat done. Uh-huh. One more time podcast. Boom. Until next week, Henry, what are we doing? The pack is out. Peace out. Hop up in a flash cart.