Ins and Outs of Artist Development ft. Swavie

I just woke up like every day and I was like, yo, I'm doing the same thing over and over again. I was like, dad, I gotta do something. Went to Walmart, got like a little snowball mic, started making music. The One More Time Music Podcast. Genuine conversations with genuine people about music. Hosted by Henry with a three and playback Ben. We're from Bemo Coops to Pants off. They buy that one more time. Part that one more time. Part that shit like one more time. They part that One more time. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back for another episode of the One More Time Podcast. It's Thursday, your favorite day of the week. Everyone's favorite. Everyone's favorite. I'm your host, Playback Ben, here with my co-host. Henry with a three. Henry with an E was already taken. Darn that guy who stole the E. That's right. Henry, who do we have on the podcast today? Hey, Welcoming in on episode 36 of the One More Time Podcast. Legendary rapper from Pittsburgh, founder of Taylor Gang Entertainment is Wiz Khalifa. Taylor Gang.

Paper Planes. Got a little shorter though. A little bit, yeah. Yeah. A little younger. It's a bad day. I'm 6'3 on a good day. On a good day. It's a bad day. You see me on one of my bad days. Okay. He's wearing flat chucks, so you know. Gotcha. In all seriousness, we have new to the game, but not new to a lot of people, surprisingly. We have amazing singer, songwriter, artist, Swayve. Swayve. Thank you for having me. From the big TR. Big TR. Tom's River, New Jersey. We deep. Yeah. Most of us down here in Atlanta don't know, but I actually did, so shout out to me, because my wife has a friend from TR that we discussed earlier. So we appreciate you coming on, man. Appreciate you for having me. You are working with someone who has been on the podcast before, CEO Kyle, who's also in the building. Shout out to Kyle Shout out, Kyle, man. Shout out, Kyle. Shout out, Kyle, man. Shout out, Kyle. He Is the best. Um, so we're gonna dive right in. He's the dot connector. We're gonna dive right in. So you are, we actually had someone else who who was also a pastor's kid. You grew up son of a preacher.

Yes, I did. Right? What what came with that territory? Like for me, it it seems like such a stereotype. But like What's the stigma. Exactly. What came with that? Well, one of the stigmas for us is like pastor's kids are always the worst behaved kids. So were you? Yeah, but we're not we're not gonna get into that. That one's true. I'm not, I wasn't that bad. I I was cool, I was cool. Okay. But you're under a microscope for sure. Yeah. And that's kind of part of the reason why, like, when I first started making music, I really didn't want to tell my parents that I was making music, like secular music and stuff like that, because it wasn't gospel and stuff like that. But it ended up like they became my biggest supporters, which is crazy. Like at first I was scared, I was like hiding my mic every time I recorded a song and just Oh wow. Just because I got a lot of people are judgmental in the in the religion. So like I didn't really know how to like go about it. But just hearing it referred to as secular music is kind of kind of interesting.

You know he's in the church. That's that's yeah, that's church vocabulary right there. But yeah, um, you live under a microscope when you're a preacher's kid. Yeah, people waiting for you to mess up, yeah. Everything. Yeah, was it also like in the in the like congregation though, too? Like everyone was kind of like watching you, right? Like I'm always being watched, but like not in our congregation, it's like kind of young. So like it's we have a lot of like people who haven't really been Christians for a while. Okay, so like they can't really be doing the same stuff that I'm doing. Like Yeah. It was tough for them to judge when you can't really say anything. That's funny. We had someone else who was like big in the youth group scene, and I think you were as well, right? Yeah, and he described. Who was that again? I can't remember it was like maybe Kelechi or someone else, but he described it as like it could have been a reality TV show. Just like all the like relationship drama and like crazy, like dramatic shit that would go on in the in the youth group scene. Was it like that for you?

Or did you have like a more tame? youth group experience? it was half and half. Like it was okay, it was it was half half. Not really dramatic like that, but like when it comes down to it, like outside of church, we're still teenagers, so we're gonna act the same way with whatever people that we we meet. It's the teenage drama more than it's just teenage drama everywhere, right? Yeah, he just described it as like the real world, and like there was like it's like an episode of Degrassi. yeah. Everyone was like dating someone at one point and then broke up and dated another person. I don't know, that's funny. But so you end up doing some like photo and video work for the church, right? Yeah, but you weren't in the choir, nah. I never sang. Well, I sang a couple of times, like I had some leads, I never that's crazy. Yeah, it's interesting. Why not? I just wasn't comfortable, like I couldn't sing in front of people. I don't know. Like every time that that they had me do a lead and stuff like that, like I'll kind of like not even make eye contact with the congregation and stuff like that. Like I wasn't really trying to actually sing, like it was really uncomfortable for me, but obviously I had to grow out of that.

Yeah, yeah. No, that's that's wild though, because the other people that have been on the show that grew up in the church too, they were like the stereotypical like lead of the choir or like playing music in the band or whatever, but you were like the the like audio visual try to avoid it at all costs. That's crazy. Sometimes my dad would hit me like, yo, like you're singing this Sunday. Like, dang. So it was like nerves, yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I was definitely nervous. Okay. Definitely. Interesting. So you preferred being behind the lens, yeah. So what drew you to photography? Because I think photography will become a big part of you know your childhood and like, you know, it, you know, into your high school years, I guess, is you know, when you got really into it. Like, what drew you to that creative medium? Honestly, at first, it's church is tied into all my life. So, like my mom needed somebody to take pictures from one of our events. They had bought a camera for the church.

So I just started taking pictures, and after that, I never put the camera camera down. So they just needed someone to do it. Yeah. And you were there. Yeah, pretty much. I I love the out of necessity stories. Yeah. You've had that. Yeah, we had a DJ on attention horror. Yeah. Who ended up just DJing for Wara, who was actually another rapper guest of ours. And it was just the fact that literally Wara needed someone, a homie, to just DJ was a show for him. And now he's a DJ. And now that's like his his thing. So it's like, okay, mom, I guess I'll I'll take these church photos. Exactly. But you know, it was like some Valentine's Day for the women's group. Like really Oh, wow. took the photos. Like. Oh man. So what other like photos did you end up taking? Like, you know, were you shooting nature shit or like portraits? Kind of what what did you get into? Mainly I do sports. So I work for a company called Ball is Life. I still work for them. You know, I do their work here and there. Ball is Life? Yeah.

Okay, cool. So like I'll shoot, I shot a couple NBA players, but I mostly shoot like high-level like high school players. Because I know like action shots, like when they're in the game and stuff? Yeah, and I also do video, like mostly video too, like making highlight mixes and stuff like that for them. Dope. Yeah. So that's like where I get most of my bread from. Were you also a baller? Like, did you play? I played my senior year in high school, but I couldn't do organized basketball. I quit after eight games. Were you more of a street ball guy? Yeah. Okay. I couldn't, I couldn't remember plays, I couldn't remember sets. I would just break sets and go go to the basket. My coach, my coach was like that. Just drive. Yeah. Every play. Every play. That's funny. But so I heard one story about um like you going to shoot photos around the town. Like you guys would go shoot photos just like around the town, too. So you weren't just doing sports. You were like, Yeah, like portraits or sometimes, like you know, taking pictures of my friends and stuff like that. Yeah, and you guys went to like an abandoned house. Yeah.

Tell us that story. Okay. That sounded scary. So we went to an abandoned, like, it was an old Boy Scout, like kind of like area or whatever, and it was abandoned. Like there was a trail that walks like across like next to it. Like once you get into like the abandoned area, like it's basically illegal or whatever. Or whatever. So it's it was me and a couple of um couple of my friends, Ish at the time. Shout out ish, shout out ish, my man's Eli, rest in peace. E uh Banks, and we had two other girls that were with Eli and Ish at that same at that time. Youth group uh romances. Yeah. But um, so we went to the spot, and when we walked in, my man's banks, he says something to the house, like next to the next to the area. I guess that like fired like their parents, like made their parents mad, so they called the cops on us. Ah just like a dumb high school comment, like whatever.

Just yelling something. So they called the cops on us. So we were there for like a good 30 minutes, and we were in one of the houses, um, just taking pictures or whatever. Now out of nowhere, we hear, get on the ground, everybody on the ground. Now, me in the back, Jesus, never been in trouble like that. Like, I've never like ever done none of that. I'm like scrambling like back and forth, trying to find a way out so I could dip. And I everything was boarded up, so we couldn't get out. So we just went to the front, and when we came around around the corner, like guns was pointed at us. Like that seems like a little much. That's what I'm saying. We got Cameras in our hands, bro. Like you weren't threatening looking at all. Like, we had cameras in hand, I had a backpack. I'm pretty sure I had like a button up at the time. Like he had like his media credentials too, you know, to be at the spot Yeah, exactly. Like, we weren't threatening at all. And they just told us to get on the ground. They call mad backup. There was, like six cop cars there. Backup.

Like we have a bunch of high school kids armed with cannons and uh DSLRs. So yeah, that happened. We went to the we went to the the police station, whatever. They took you in. Yeah, they took us in. We stayed there for like three hours. They're just justifying their jobs at this point, man. Like Tom's River must not have much going on if like they need the tax money. So like If this is the kind of crime that was no way for real. Like three hours. They didn't arrest you though. No, they they took us in. We got put in handcuffs, got in the car. You got charged. What did Pops and and moms think? They were they were livid. But like they were more like mad at the fact that we got guns pointed at us. Oh, so they were in pictures. Yeah, yeah. But like in the same in the same token, they were like, You shouldn't have been where you're not supposed to be. Sure. But yeah, so they tried to try charge us for like trespassing and stuff like that. Like God, it seems so extra.

Yeah. I just heard that story, and I was like, just me, I'm such a pussy that like hearing guns pointed at anyone, I'm like, oh God. This is so scary. Were you in that situation? Like, I was really in shock. especially like innocent photographers. Like, I was really in shock. Yo, is this really happening? Like, like if they were doing something actually wrong, I would like maybe not have been like as anxious in my mind hearing this. story. Like we're not smoking in the houses. Yeah. we have cameras, bro. Like, I was looking I was like, Is this really happening right now? Like, is there a gun really pointed to my head right now? That's crazy, man. Jesus. Yeah, so you mentioned you do video as well. And so you do some of the sports stuff, but you also like scripted and shot some like short films. too? Yeah, I shot some short films. Um back my junior year. It was my like going into my senior year, like the summer. I made this like short film of like visuals called Not Another Boring Summer. Yeah. Nabs. Yeah, Nabs. Shout out Nabs. Shout out Nabs. Yeah. So yeah.

Um, that was fun. I did that a couple of I did, I think I did made a visual like twice. One of the time. So like what was it? It was literally just like us going out and I was just recording and I put like music behind it and stuff like that. Like it wasn't really like scripted per se, but like you kind of directed it, yeah. Yeah, like planned out the days and went to record and stuff like that. Do you still do stuff like that? Sometimes, not really like I really just do like basketball now. Yeah, basketball and sports now, because that's where the money is for real. Yeah, no, that's interesting. So you're also a great dancer. I've seen some old clips. Lord, I've seen some old clips that were that were online, actually. I think it was maybe you or like some of your homies too, but you did some talent shows. Can you describe for us Atlanta folks what is Jersey club dance? Jersey club dance is just like mad high energy movements. Like because have you heard of it? Haven't heard of it. I hadn't heard of it either. Any high-energy movement?

Like it's just it's apparently like a thing. Like you got a couple moves that like don't have to be. You can Google it. Yeah. It's a whole movement. Only in New Jersey. Yeah, New Jersey. Some Philly people do it, some Florida people do it. Like we all they all like share our music and like put their moves to it. But is it like hip hop? Like, what is it? I guess you could call it hip hop. Yeah. It's real fast. I heard like Jersey club dance, and I was like, Yeah, this sounds like some shit I've I would never be able to do. A and B, I'd never heard of. It's part of the culture. Yeah. It's part of the culture. Are you do you like consider yourself pretty like Jersey? Like, is that like do you identify like pretty strongly with like New Jersey boy? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I'll go to war for Jersey. I hate it though. When I go to war for it. It's a love hate. Yeah, love hate situation. I can I can say that Jersey suck, but y'all can't. Okay. I get. I know that. Yeah. That's funny. Um, so you know, you take the leap of faith into music artistry.

I mean, not long ago. This is like a year and a half now at this point. A year and a half. Like a year and a half. What prompted you to do that? You literally were scared to sing in the fucking choir. Quarantine. I was bored. Wow. Waking up every day. I was like, Dad, I gotta do something. Went to Walmart, got like a little snowball mic, started just recording and stuff. All my friends like make music and stuff like that. Like I'm in a whole group chat, just mad people who make music and stuff. So they're like, yo, like you can sing. Like, we all know you can sing. Like, you're the last person in this chat that's not making music. Yeah. And they're all like talented and like very talented in the group chat. So like I just started doing it, and obviously I never never stopped. Not yet. Damn, can you get Henry in that group chat? Yeah. He needs to get it. Yeah, we're gonna see. We're gonna make Henry an industry plant. Yeah, seriously. No, but so like they just kind of put the battery in your back. Yeah, to be honest.

And like I just woke up like every day and I was like, yo, I'm doing the same thing over and over again. Like, couldn't take no pictures for no nobody. Everything was shut down, so I wasn't working. Like, there was just nothing for me to do. I'm not really that art, I'm not really super artistic, like with my hands. Like I could do digital media, but like that junk got boring. Like, I'm not sure. So you were trying that though? Yeah, I was creating stuff on Photoshop, but like I can't couldn't do it all. Like, yeah. So I just started making music. Damn. I'm curious how well, A, how what did you do to get over like the nerves and that part of it, you know, and the shyness and kind of break through? Or B, have you just been making music, you know, secretly, and maybe you haven't even gotten like I made like, okay, so back in like 2018, I had made one song, and it was recorded at my friend's crib, and I put it on SoundCloud. It's still on my SoundCloud, it's garbage, but it's still on my SoundCloud. I just wanted to leave it. out there. Which track is it? Yeah, just keep you remembering.

It's called the game. The game? Yeah. Okay. So like it's still on my SoundCloud, but like I hate it. But I kind of just keep it there. I'm going to link that one in the show notes. in the description below. We're gonna link that. We're going to link The Game. But after that, I was just kind of like, all right, like that was fun. I never went back to it, but I wouldn't say I got over my shyness until like recently. Cause like every time I used to make a song, I'd be like, yo, other people are hearing this. Like, I don't like this. Other people are gonna hear it. Like, I every time I make a song, I listen to it. I might like it, but then I'm like, well, other people like it. Mm-hmm. And just recently I got over that. I'm like, yo, like if I like the song, I'm gonna drop it. And I don't even care if y'all like it or not. Like, I'm doing this for me at this point. Yes. That's really what helped. I'm doing this for me at this point. Yes. So it was a perspective change that kind of helped you. But at the same time, like I was comfortable, I was making music in my room. So like I can, you know, play with my voice, try. It doesn't matter if I hit, don't hit a note, my voice crack. So I really wasn't like worried about anybody hearing me and stuff like that. Like once I started like performing, that's when Yeah. Dang. shows is when that all changes.

I was nervous. Have you done a lot of shows? I've done two. Two shows? Yeah. I've done one like more like intimate, like it was like a kind of like only 30 people there, like just for a warm-up, and then like right after that, I opened for Mariah the Scientist. Crazy. That's a big jump. Which shout out Mariah the Scientist. Because Kyle told a story about her being on her science shit in school, because they he knew her from school. Yeah. And she saw the post, shared it, and she probably is responsible for about 50% of our Instagram followers. So Mariah the Scientist, shout out to you. Shout out. Mariah, man. You told me in Doppler Studios that you'd be on the podcast. We need it. So we need you on the podcast. We need to make it happen. But what was that show like? It was going from being scared. Like I'm still like trying to wrap my head around this. Like being nervous to even perform at your church, which like you're the preacher's kid. Like you could go up and fuck up and it wouldn't even matter. It's like I'm the shit. Like I'm the preacher's kid. Like, whatever. To being nervous to do that, to then being in a fucking, you know, real venue. Yeah.

I mean, it had to be probably a thousand cap type of venue, whatever. For you know, Mariah the Scientist opening up. Like, how did that feel? It was so like leading up to it. So the day before, we had our last rehearsal, and I was nervous. Like, yeah, It's always the lead up. The lead up's the worst. Like, I was recording, like, I couldn't even make eye contact with myself in the mirror. Like, I was like, dang, like, I'm about to sing in front of like, what was it, 700, 800 people? Like, it was crazy. But like, as time went on, like the day of the show, I didn't eat anything. I didn't drink anything. Like, I was just like, I can't put anything in my stomach right now. Cause I feel like if I get on stage, it's over. It's coming back up. It's over. Bro, this is me in like a basketball tournament. Like, I was so nervous. I was the same way, man. But you know, somebody performed, two people performed before me. And at that point, I was just like, Dad, like, I'm here now.

Like, I can't leave. Like, I gotta do it now. Like, yeah. Just got on, pick pick three people from, you know, the side, the middle, and the other side, and focused on, focused on those people, went back and forth and stuff like that. And I had a couple people in the in the crowd that I knew. So it was cool. That sounds like I'm like nervous right now for you. I'm not sure. It was very nervous. It was very nerve-wracking. I'm not even gonna lie. But doesn't that kind of go away once you're up there and once you get started, you kind of just black out, and have fun with it, yeah. That was cool. Yeah, That's how it always is. It's the build-up, the anticipation is the worst. After that, it was whatever. Yeah, yeah. So describe your your artist brand like sonically first. Like who, you know, who do you like? Who are the success models for you, like sonically, right? Like, if you were to give your elevator pitch as far as like what you're trying to sound like, you know, how would you do that? Um, I'm a very big fan of Drake.

I listen to Drake every day. Most majority of the day. Like I had like mad hours on my Apple replay, like of Drake. You see on your uh Spotify wrapped or whatever your top artist. I don't listen to Spotify. I feel like why would I do that? why would I have Spotify if I have an iPhone? I haven't, I haven't, I haven't do y'all listen. to Spotify? I'm a Spotify premium whore. Yeah, that's I love Spotify. I don't know because I hate the financials around it in general. Just there's you know, argument. Yeah, I don't know, you're right. Spotify though, like yeah, you have something built in your phone. You just borderline you just borderline sold me on Apple Music, right? Something built in your phone. It's already there. Like you're you're taking up extra space on your phone. Yeah, yeah. It's got like a gig of uh space right now on my phone. It's a lot, man. For what? For what? You could say the playlists though, they have good playlists. They know like rap caviar and stuff like that. They do have good playlists. But I don't even take advantage of those, man. I know, I mean, I'm I don't know. I know music, I know what I want to listen to.

I don't need as much curation as maybe like an average. I'm not you know saying I'm just like music god or anything, but like I'm very I'm going to find out music god. I'm going to like I'm searching out what I know I want to listen to. I don't need it to be necessarily fed to me per se, but I I'm gonna switch to Apple Music now. Thank you. That's a good point. Thanks appreciate it. Yeah, everybody switch Apple music. Is Apple paying this guy to like convert people away from Spotify? At this point they might as well, Kyle's taking notes. He's definitely a brand ambassador. No, so you know, so Drake's a big influence. Who else? You know, would you say Bryson Tiller? Bryson Tiller, yeah. Um party next door, you know, using YouTube before I had producers and stuff like that, always Bryson Tiller type beat. Party Next Door type beat. Drake beats, like, it's all like his rapping stuff. Like, you can't really find a good RB Drake beat. To me, there is there is no Drake beat. He just does every style. He does everything, but there's no way to yeah. But like when you think of a Drake beat, like, if you look up a Drake beat right now, like it's gonna be like sound like non-stop his outros, like his rapping outros.

That's what it sounds like. Like, you never can find like something like on it on YouTube. But that's also because 40 is a genius. God, absolute genius. 40 is the man. For sure. But Tory Lanez, he's I get compared to him a lot as far as my music. He's he's a great artist, great rapper, great singer. Yeah, so you do like to incorporate some rap too, as well as as well as singing, Sometimes here and there. Okay. Yeah. yeah, but I'm still trying to find honestly. I'm still trying to find my rap voice. Yeah, I mean, you're in the artist development phase, like heavy right now, I would say. How is that process going? Like, what do you what are you doing to hone in on your sound, right? Like, are you listening to fuck tons of music? Are you linking up with different people to figure out what you like, what you don't like? Because I mean that's I mean, being a brand new artist, there's people that have been doing it for 10 years They don't know what the fuck still they're trying to achieve, like sonically. So, how's it going for you?

Like, what's your approach? Honestly, like I listen to a lot of music when I'm when I'm back home and I'm just listening to music myself. Like, I listen to a lot of music, I draw a lot of inspiration from like other artists and stuff like that. But when like I'm here, you know, Kyle has put me in the right like position to you know take and grab like tidbits from other artists and stuff like that. Um, my man's brick, Good Luck brick. He's actually from Atlanta. Good luck brick, and Lex from Atlanta. Those two people, like they draw out like my creative side more. Are those writers or producers or what? They produce, they write, they, they they make their own music and stuff like that. Like, and they're very talented. So, like when I'm around them, my music sounds different. Because I love that. Yeah, hearing that. That's what a good producer and writer sounds different should achieve. Like, this is like check you're doing it right. You know what I mean? Exactly.

Like, my music sounds different. I make some of my best music when I'm out here. And that's just because like I love it out here. Like, I love Atlanta, I love the people. I love the you know, setting the stuff, like being out at night in Atlanta it's like fire, like it's mad fire out here. Where do you go hang out? What kind of areas, like Edgewood with it, whatever Kyle takes me. Buckhead with it. What do we do? Kyle's plugged in, that's for sure. Kyle's everywhere. He takes me. You feel me? He actually been in a club the first time with Kyle. Probably code all the time. He took me to traffic. Big big big code guy. Yeah. He took me there. You feel me? He kind of kind of broke the ice with the clubs. I was okay. It was cool. Yeah. So tell us how the relationship with Kyle happened. Because I know that you know you guys are, you know, working together now very closely, uh, in a you know, management, uh, you know, type of situation. How did this how did that even happen? So at first I had gotten to connection with one of his little brothers, his name's Amir. Shout out to Amir.

Shout out. Yeah, shout out to Amir, man. Like, you know, he had hit me up. He was like, yo, like when I first like started like taking it serious, I was like, yo, I need a team. He texted me, he was like, yo, you got a whole team in Atlanta, like I got you. Well, how did you even know him in the first place? Was that just like got put on with another person from Atlanta that I was cool with? Like, yo, like this kid wants to work with you. Like, like he sees your music, like he he messes with your music, he wants to work with you. Okay. So I mean, like, I didn't know him. Just found you on like SoundCloud or found you on Instagram, whatever. Yeah. Yep. But um, yeah, after that, you know, we had worked really kind of just sending music back and forth, like, you know, put me in people's ears and stuff like that for like six months until I actually came down here and met them. And ever since then, you know, like our first, like, they put me in the studio for the first time. I made all my music in my room. So they put me in the studio for the first time. And after that, yo, what was that first session like? That took me. was it was nerve wracking.

I was real frustrated. Did you feel like completely out of place? I was so frustrated. Cause like the way I make music. This isn't how I did it on my fucking snowball mic in my bedroom. Like the way I make music. Fuck is this? What is a punch in? I'll record a bar, and then I'll like if I have something, I'll keep going, but if I don't, I literally like go on Instagram, go on Twitter. Like, I don't have no set time limit. There's no recording session. Right. Oh man. $60 an hour in my room. Like I can record all the time. So like efficiency was not. I was never efficient. It never. You didn't have to be. You needed it. You didn't need to be. I didn't need to be. So like getting here, like, you know, we got this amount of time. We're gonna do this, this, and this. And I'm making music. And I'm looking at Kyle, I'm like, yo, is this supposed to take this long? Like, I we've been here for two hours and I have one verse now. Yeah. Like, so the expectations were Yeah. Like I I just didn't know if I was doing it right, like if I was taking too long, if I was gonna be a burden, like asking all these questions and stuff like that.

So, like, really, like I kind of um just sat around. Like, like I was just kind of like, okay. Like, like I was in, I was in a studio with with Corinne. Okay. Shout out Corinne. Shout out Corinne. Shout out Corinne. We'd love to have you on the podcast. I think we are soon. I think we are soon. I was in there with Corinne. Stay tuned. folks. She was helping me out. Um Ramir, music by RM3. It's my dog, he was helping me out a lot. So like he kind of got me comfortable with everything like that. Mm-hmm. But that first that first session was rough. Was it like a nice studio, like a professional? It was at um my man Ramir's, like his home studio. So like it was like more intimate, like it wasn't, you know, like mad people in the studio, because obviously, like Kyle wouldn't want that. Like, I wouldn't have gotten anything done. Right. Because at the time, like I hadn't performed yet. Yeah. So I don't really sing in front of people. But you know, it was it was good. We got a we got a good track done. It was essentially a great track. So after that first session, like it's kind of like whatever. Like, you supposed to mess up in the studio, so I don't care. Like, yeah, looking back, how you know how have you come along now?

Because it's only been a year and a half. Yeah, I'm real comfortable now. Comfortable now. I'm comfortable now. Yeah, yeah. I don't even care who's in the room no more. Like, I'm comfortable. It's what comes to it. Like, I I really had to like tell myself, like, this is what comes with it. You're gonna have to be watched while you're saying like, people not gonna allow you to go. Like, when you had a studio session at a at a label, like you can't, oh yeah, everybody get out. Like, I just had to record myself. Right. Like, it's it's not gonna happen. Right. So I just had to tell myself, like, yeah, like I'm just gonna have to get used to singing in front of people. And how I did that, like, I'll just sing randomly. Like, I'll be in public and I'll sing. I'll be on the phone and like I'll sing, or like I'll record with a a friend on the phone if I want. Like, just like just getting used to like knowing, like, okay, like I'm not the only one that's hearing this. These people are here hearing me mess up. So, like, I need to get used to that. So, so what was releasing your first song like then? Honestly.

Were you like scared to click? Not including the game. Not including the game. Yeah. I guess maybe not that. Were you like scared to click submit? Nah. Or upload? I don't know. So I had posted a snippet, and it was Girls of the Tattoo. It was like my first, like it was my first song on Apple Music. So I posted a little chiller snippet, and people were signing up like, yo, this you? I'm like, yeah, like when did you start making music? I was like, I don't know. Like I just started making music. Surprise, bitches, like literally. Now so I had posted it, and I had came home, and my dad was like. What's this? So so your mom thinks that's you rapping in your song. I was like, what are you talking about? Like you posted a video today. Like, yeah, it is me. I was like, when did you do that? That's kind of like how they found out that I made music and stuff like that. But like, yeah, when I first dropped my song, it was kind of like whatever. I didn't expect it to be. Yeah, but were you not nervous about like the feedback you were gonna get?

Not at all. I really didn't care at that point. Really? So you really had shifted the mindset then? Yeah, I really didn't care at that point. Like, cause I had sent it to a lot of people before I dropped in. Everybody was telling me that was good. So I kind of had like all the reassurance that I needed. Okay, so you kind of AR'd it around as far as like got got like homie A and Rs, proof of concept. That's okay what I do with every song that I do, like literally just send it in group chats and stuff like that. See see how people feel. Do you have like a select few people though that you like to send stuff to now? Yeah, yeah. We've had some people talk about that as like their go-to. Yeah, exactly. Because they know they're gonna be straight with them as far as yeah, like I said, like Brick. hot or not. Brick, Lex, you know, um this dude, Sonny, hate Sonny. He's he's a great artist, so I send him a lot of my music, but I really try to send my music to people who don't listen to RB. Yeah, so like my friends, yeah, my friends, they don't listen to RB like that. But it's if it makes me feel better when they're like, yo, like I don't listen to RB, but like, yo, this is crazy.

Yeah, like, and sometimes I'm like, yo, like, are they saying it to just because we cool, or like are you saying it because they actually like it? But like, you don't want to yes, man either. Exactly. They they support it, you know, they they playing it on the Instagram stories and like they posting it, like you feel me. So like they actually genuinely mess with it. So like I like using them as like, yo, like, would you play this? Because I mean, they go on the RB some some way, somehow, you know, you're not gonna get with a girl and play Chief Keef off the rip. You go on the RB. I don't know, some type of girl. in the bedroom. You go on you go on the RB, bro. You go on the RB. You can't listen to hard rap 24-7. You need some you need some variety. That's true. Agreed. Yeah, what do you listen to? Like, like you said, Drake mostly. Drake mostly, yeah, Bryson. A lot of my friends' music. So do you listen to mostly RB? Yeah, and like kind of like more light rap. Yeah, okay. So you're not listening to hardcore rap, really. Not really, but I'll listen to I'll listen to Keef. like his new album is crazy. Yeah, that was on repeat when it came out.

Okay, it's kind of like if it hits, it hits. So I'm gonna listen to it. Yeah, like when I was getting ready, like for games and and track meets and stuff like that. Like, I would listen to RB just because I didn't have really interesting. I wouldn't have guessed that. It's getting hype on some Some baby making music. Yeah, I didn't have any rap music. Yeah. Just listen to RB all the time. Like, I love RB. And tying it into uh like basketball who mixtapes and stuff like that. Like, I put RB on the mixtapes. Like, like you know, everybody's using like Durk, Baby, Keef, people like that. Like, I'll put like Bryson Tiller on a mix. Have you gotten to put your songs on a I did once, but I just sometimes I just hate hearing my music. No way. Really? So like I couldn't like so you're not the type that listens to themselves a lot. I listen to it until I hate it when I make a new song. Yeah. But other than that, like, nah, not really. Interesting. I get worried that artists are gonna not be as motivated to push the song anymore just because they haven't, they've heard it so much, but like these other people haven't heard it. Yeah, so you still gotta try and stay motivated to really want to push the song out.

That's kind of why I like send my songs some my group chats and stuff like that. Like, yo, is this is this still hard? Is there something that I could change about this? Like, you feel me? So now even me being around, you know, him making songs with artists and then like working with Gabe, you know, who's my artist. It's like I start to I do have like demo itis sometimes as far as like damn, I've heard the song literally 5,000 times now. Like, is it actually as good as I thought it was the first time? And the answer is usually yes. It's just the fact that to your point, I've listened to it so many fucking times that like I'm starting to get in my own head about it. But I ain't gonna lie. Like, there was there's been a couple of times where, like, songs that we put out, I listened to it, like, like you get to ask Kyle every song I sound like yo, this is my new favorite song. Like, this is crazy. Now I listen to it, I'm like, it's cool. Like the him by how many times though? I got bro, so many. That's kind of part of the reason why like my little Apple music replay was like unreleased songs in my stuff because it's like in your top, yeah. It's like unreleased, like they allow that.

That's crazy. Oh my god, because you know, Spotify, of course, doesn't have that. Yeah, another reason why I should get on Apple. Listen. Get Apple music. Like it's already on your phone. I'm already downloading it right now. You already have it. Of course. But it's built in, it's built in. Remember the value proposition. It's built in. Come on now. Yeah. Well, nah, like him at first, like that was crazy. I was like, yo, this song is crazy. And then like I was like, yo, it sounds kind of empty. And I was like trying to add to it, trying to add like background vocals and stuff. And I was like, yo, like I can't add anything to this song no more. But then when I dropped it, I was like, dang, this is this is hard again. Which one was it? Him. Okay. Yeah. That one is hard. Yeah. But like at first, I kind of And you are him. Yeah. You are, bro. Believe it. The original. The original. him. A lot of People call themselves him. I don't know where they get that from. I don't know where they get that from. That's me. We've got him on the podcast, folks. So a lot of things have come relatively naturally to you over the years. I mean, you know, you know, speaking with people, you were pretty, you know, natural athlete.

Like sports came pretty easily to you. The photo stuff, I think, and video stuff like came pretty naturally. How do you feel the artistry's been coming? Do you think it's been as kind of easy as those things have? I feel like it came naturally, but uh at a point, like I hit a plateau and I was making the same song over and over again. And that caused me to take a break. And I was already in the year and a half. You had a little. Yeah, I was like, yeah, like I gotta stop making music. It sounded like the same thing over and over again. Like I gotta stop. So I I took a little break. It was like a like a two-week break. Then I came back and made a whole tape. So damn. Yeah. So like yeah, my break, my break, it was it was good for me. You know, um, as I develop as an artist, like it gets easier, you know. Like, as I said, like my music is starting to sound different now. So, like, it's coming naturally. I believe it's coming naturally. Yeah. How about like the industry side? Because there's like the making music and there's the music business. I'm gonna lie, the industry bothers me so much.

Like it's kind of like I see these artists, and I'm like, yo, like I'm better than you. Why are you in a better position than me? Like, and I know you can't like think of it, like you gotta have that. I'm up next, like it's my turn, my turn is coming mentality. But sometimes I look at this like, yo, like, you sound horrible. Like, you sound terrible, bro. But yeah, can we get some examples of who you're talking about? Oh, absolutely trying to start some beef on the one more time. point. We always love to try to start beef here, and no one ever falls fucking victim to it. You know, smart, smart, he's very well media trained at this point already. Shout out to your PR. But yeah, so so you know, you've already met some pretty like you know, shout out Kyle again. Exactly. He's a mover and shaker, he's definitely fucking next up. I'm gonna see him on the power players list, I think, next year, probably at this rate. He's put you in some rooms with some pretty like prestigious people in the industry. Who are some of the people that you've gotten the opportunity to meet so far? Cortez Bryant, you know, former manager of Drake, Lil Wayne, Nick.

Shout out Tez. Exactly. I had had a chance to play my music, and like the whole time I'm like, yo, this is Drake's manager. Like, I'm playing music for Drake's manager. Yeah, um, Key Henderson, shout out Key. Key, we love him. Great person. We love Key. Great support system, obviously, very intelligent in the industry. Oh. Obviously. She gets it, man. You know, um, a lot of other managers and stuff like that. Like, he's put me in a great position. Do you feel like that comes with like an extra layer of pressure though? Yeah. Cause like because now it's like, well, bro, you've met Drake's old manager. You should be out of here by now. Yeah, like are are you feeling impatient to your point almost of like how's that feeling, right? Where you're like seeing these people that you you know think that you can go toe-to-toe with, if not, you know, exceed them from like a you know artistic standpoint. Are you feeling like impatient at times?

I do feel impatient. I'm not even I do feel impatient, but you know, that's kind of Kyle's job to like kind of like, yo, like this isn't no overnight thing. Yeah. But then I see like, you know, like the use of TikTok and stuff like that. Like I always say, like, bro, I can't make a TikTok song. I can't, I can't make like I'll I'll make something catchy, but it's not like TikTok challenge. Like, so like, you know, people get they blow up off of TikTok and out of nowhere, like, you know, they're famous. Like they got a verified check in a week. They signed, like, off a TikTok single. Island boys do that. Shout out Island Boys. Yeah, exactly. Do we really want to shout out Island Boys? We just did. Oh, yeah, like I guess. When it comes to that, like I I get impatient sometimes, but as I said, I always gotta have like I'm next, like next up mentality. Like, don't worry about that, just keep going, grinding, doing it's gonna come to me. Yeah, no, I just feel like, you know, you got a lot of eyes on you of like the moves you're making, probably. I mean, you know, I feel like if people see you in those situations, they it could come with like that extra layer of pressure to like deliver results quicker.

Yeah, right. Because there are people to your point that haven't been in the room with some people that you've started to be able to, and it's like they might see some, you know, luck of the draw type of success, which once again, you know, we we don't want to rely on luck as a strategy, but like I don't know, I just felt like you know, for me that would almost come with like this damn like I better fucking do something, you know. But like honestly, I'd rather me take my time when I do it, because if I when I get on, if and when I get on, I'm gonna be established. Like I'm not if I get on after all this time, like there's I'm not just gonna be like a all right, one hit, yeah, cool. You'll be ready for it, like one hit, all right. Now what? Like, you know, like I've already already had I'm already established, so I like the long way is sometimes a better way. No, for sure. Definitely. So you mentioned that you love it here in Atlanta, yeah. Is it kind of like your second home at this point?

Yeah, I love it. I love it here. When can we expect you to move down here? There are very forward. inquiring minds, inquiring minds. People want you down here, bro. A lot a lot of people have won me down here. So when can we expect it? When's the big move? I don't know. It has to come soon though. 2022. I can't deal. bro. I I I think Kyle needs to make that happen. Hey, if if 20 is if that's what the new year holds, then I mean, I guess I gotta come down here. Okay, yeah. I mean, you kind of hinted at it, but what do you like about Atlanta? Is it just the people you've met? The people a lot of my friends are here. Like, I've met some of the like no more most like thorough people, like here, you know, food, the atmosphere, the music. Like, there's a lot, there's not much to do on Toms River. Yeah, not much to do. Yeah, but the logical thing for people in New Jersey clearly is what? New York. Yeah, New York. Yeah, you know what I mean? So it's like, it's interesting to hate to see it.

Oh, you do. I don't like it. Why not? I don't like public transportation. This guy doesn't like the subway, he doesn't like the L train. It shouldn't take me an hour to go 20 minutes, It just It just. It don't. it don't make sense to me. When we were in the middle of it But then there's Atlanta traffic, and so it's like Yeah, you know, it takes you an hour to go a few miles. We were on the train an hour and 45 minutes every day going back into the city because we were so far. We were like basically Coney Island and going into the city. That was where you were staying? Yeah, and going into the city bing bong. Hey man, that's that's that's the B&B CEO Kyle book, man. Couldn't do nothing about it. You can Step up these B&Bs. Kyle. Couldn't do nothing about it. We're gonna need to talk about your B&B choices. Couldn't do nothing about it. You know, we literally was like on a train for like an hour and 40 minutes. Oh man every day. He must just not have known where where Coney Island was in reference to the city. I saw that in a movie once, I think.

And I'm like carrying like I think he wanted to just ride the cyclone or get the like you know hot dogs at the boardwalk or something. Down a couple of glizzies. Literally, like over the fence was Coney Island, like we were in like the end of Brooklyn. That's crazy, and I'm like traveling like there with like a backpack, a duffel. I got two bags, like on the train. Yes, oh you should have seen me. Was this for the show? Like, yeah, so you were going back and forth to rehearse and check out the you know, the city. Once we were out in the city, we was out in the city until we came. When we came back, that was it. Like we was. Yeah, you weren't gonna go home and change, like we wasn't changing. We brought everything. We brought a backpack and we brought everything that we needed for the day. Yes, that's crazy. Like, we we could we can't go back. Because if we go back, I'm gonna look at Kyle like it's over, bro. Yo, I forgot my wallet. Maybe tomorrow, bro. Maybe tomorrow, bro. It's over. Did you have like a thorough checklist before you left the door? Like every day, like I'm in my bag. Wallet, phone, clothes.

Have to. Like that it was too much of a too much of a trouble. That's funny, man. So other than hopefully moving down here, what is on the roadmap though for 2022? Seriously, like what can we expect? You mentioned you had like made a project after taking the time off, or can we expect the project to be coming out? Kind of what are you excited about for next year? Definitely, you know, Can projects done, you know. That's what I'm down here for, you know. Um so multiple, you're getting them in the can. We we gonna I I haven't dropped in a minute, so it's kind of I gotta make up for lost time. Okay, but um definitely want to establish my visual brand more. Um I don't post on Instagram enough at all, so I'll post on Instagram. I gotta get my YouTube up, stuff like that. Like what about TikTok? Visual content. I'm trying to get myself into TikTok. Bro, the virality is there. No, this is a rare moment. I'm trying. Where you can anyone can post anything. Anybody can get famous, is what I'm saying. Like there's so many people just scrolling and there's still not that many people making.

Like the wait, the wait for me song, bro. That junk was a snippet as a sound. It wasn't even out. He got signed off of before he even dropped it. Crazy. Like, yeah. TikTok is crazy. It's actually wild. But I just trying to get myself into it. Are you trying to just figure out what feels genuine to you to post, like how you can utilize it? Yeah, yeah. Content-wise, that's a big one. Because you can't just post pictures. Well, that and if you don't want to do the corny fucking dances and shit, like that, you know, just people think that it's only that maybe it's it's hard to step outside of it and really understand like how the platform is used by a variety of different people. Yeah. Because to your, you know, you made a comment that I honestly disagree with, and you know, hot take or not, but like I think RB songs can do well on TikTok still. Yes, there's I think yes, there's the stereotypical corny TikTok song, right? That comes with the dance challenges.

But if you find a niche of content creators that can use RB type songs, I mean we have a song where you know we're trying to tap into like travel vloggers, right? That make like travel videos, and it's not a TikTok y song, right? But you know, those are the types of people that post other kinds of music that aren't these like twin and them, you know, type of bops, right? You know what I mean? Um, so I I would challenge you to like think a little differently about it, and your music can live on there. You just gotta figure out kind of how how it can. And I know that's like you know, easier said than done, but like keep keep trying because like to Henry's point, it's you know, it's clearly here to stay. Yeah, it's definitely here to stay. And it's probably only getting people deals to your point, too. So it's and it's probably only gonna be like this on there for another year or two. You know, it's not gonna be like, you know, it's It's like the wild, wild west right now of like these things get saturated, you know, virality, exactly. There are people and more and more people are gonna start making them, and it's gonna be harder and harder to do numbers. It's gonna be like Instagram is now.

Yeah, impossible to like break through on Instagram. For sure. Speaking of breakthrough, Henry, we've come to a final segment of the One More Time podcast. Let's see if he can break through into the Hall of Fame. Oh, okay. I didn't know where you were going. For the rapid fire rampage. I didn't know where how you were tying that in, but actually you came through. At least top Kyle's rampage. That's that's all that's really the bar just What is it though? Well, that's Henry's job. This is the rapid fire rampage. It's a fail. It's a three-part rampage. Well, with that attitude, you are. For starters. There are no correct answers. Literally, you know, we just try to keep it rapid. We try to get the off the top of your head. Okay. So there's three parts. I'll just explain them as we go. First part, just some quick short answer questions. I'm gonna run at you. Simple as that. Gotcha. Episode 36 with Swavey. Rapid Fire Rampage. Part one. What's awesome is someone described this as like a mini game show within our podcast uh episode. And I was like, that's a really cool way to put it.

Good way. He was like, yo, I just got an interview and a game show appearance at one time. One fucking hour. Like, and I was like, dude, it's definitely our pitch now to people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yo, if you're ever looking to come on a game show, we do have a 15-minute segment at the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, buckle up, man. Here we go. Starting with the short answers. If someone wrote a biography about you today, what would the title be? Donnie son. If you were an animal, what would you be? A bear. A bear. If you were an emoji, what would you be? A love letter. The one with the Yeah. Damn. This guy's quick so far, man. Yeah. If you were a beverage, what would you be? Sprite. You have to delete three states. Which states do you delete? North Dakota, South Dakota. And he ain't fucking with the Dakotas. The Dakotas gotta go.

Because why are you here? He doesn't mean it Dakotas. Arkansas. Man. Arkansas's having a tough time on that question. Yeah. If you could have the world's attention for 30 seconds. What would you say? Stream Swavy. Simple. Easy. I only need two. I'll take the other 28 back. How would you spend a hundred thousand dollars on your music career right now? I would definitely buy some features. Let me see. I'm gonna see how how expensive a couple features. See what Drake's going for? Definitely. Drake is probably like a half half a mil. Yeah. Definitely like a half a mil. But I definitely put into some features, you know. Not all of it. Yeah. Try to like, you know, get some visuals done. Visual. Some high quality visuals. Cause I love, as I say, I love video. Do you have any features you know locked in already that you're, you know, able to hint at?

Or I gotta I got a song with someone's you know whose name sound kind of like mine. And he may or may not have been on the podcast. He May or may not have. All right. We'll let people figure that one out for themselves. We'll let the real OG one more time fans figure that one out. That's right. If we could plug you into the Matrix and you could learn any one skill instantly, what would it be? I'm thinking of superpowers, I ain't even thinking about a skill. Someone actually last episode answered with a superpower, so I guess that's acceptable. I'm gonna be able to read minds. Mmm. Creepy. That's dangerous. I'm gonna be able to read minds. If you could sign with anyone, who would it be? Kyle's like, don't answer this, don't answer this, don't answer this. We're going OVO. Or are we going? I don't want to go OVO. No, we're not.

I don't want to go OVO. dang. I haven't really thought about this. Oh no. Not that Jeffrey. I haven't really thought about this. I love the first time you use it on people. Yeah. Because they have no idea. They don't know it's there. I'd probably have to go OVO by default. Fair enough. Man, he went from I don't want OVO to I guess OVO. I can't think of nobody else. Yeah. That's a great label. He was playing Drake's songs over and over in his mind. Literally, what would Drake do? Is a hot dog a sandwich? No, it's a hot dog. How many cantaloupes would fit in an Olympic-sized pool? His face, bro, when you mention the word cantaloupe. Olympic-sized pool. It's a big one. Is it in the do you know the answer? No.

Absolutely. not. Yo, he's the first person that's asked if you know the answer. Because he's done like bullshit ones like this, like how many golf balls can fit in a fucking spaceship, and no one's ever asked. Do you know the answer? It has to be in the thousands. Well, yeah. I think so. I don't know. How big is a cantaloupe, like? Bro. Maybe a little small. Yeah, that's about right. That's the first time I've heard the word cantaloupe in like years. 5,000 cantaloupes. 5,000 cantaloupes. Sounds, I don't know, reasonable. Nah. I'm gonna have to Google that. Yeah, we can actually do the math. It has to be a YouTube video. We'll do the math. About cantaloupes in an Olympic sized pool. I think you're giving Henry's question too much credit, man. No, we might look it up after. I'm kind of curious now. God, I guess there's a YouTube channel for everything. Jesus. What advice would you give 13-year-old you? Bro, don't fail math. That didn't put me back. Oh my god. Now you're struggling to answer a cantaloupe question. Don't you fail math?

Yo, I feel like 5,000 is a good answer. I think so too. I'm not gonna lie. Don't fail math. He's like, if I understood volume and that put me back so much. Like, Just math. I wasn't- I wasn't. Like, did you actually like fail because of math or something? No, I failed because I was lazy. Okay, well. Yeah. My teacher. At least he's self-aware. My teacher wouldn't accept uh homework if it didn't show the work. Mm. And I didn't show work. Did you cheat? Not really. I just did it. Sometimes I cheated. I ain't even gonna lie. Everybody cheats. Sometimes I cheated, but like other times, like I'll do it on a separate piece of paper and my work be everywhere. So I just throw it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's lame. But yeah, that put me back so much. Okay. I couldn't play basketball until my senior year. Oh, because of that. Yeah. Because in my school, like math counted as two classes, so technically, like I failed. What do you mean? Whoa. Was it a math school? It was like a it was like a magnet school or something. Like a block. So regular periods of 45 minutes are like a block period is 90 minutes.

Oh so technically we're in So you were double failing. Yeah, basically. Basically. Part one of the rampage. Part one? At first it was a D. And then it was an F. After that, I was just like. Fuck it, it's a D. Whatever. Might as well be an F. Man. Yeah, he started off super super rapid. Yep, and then we hit him with the label question. And then you hit him with the label, and then you hit him with the cantaloupes. And then the cantaloupes. Cantaloupes threw me for a loop. I'm not gonna lie. That one was tough. You can make it back. Come on, man. Let's get back fast. This is the this or that. Hit your stride. Hit your stride. This is the this or that portion. I'm gonna give you two things, and you're gonna pick one. Got you. Simple as that. Part two of the rampage. Jersey or ATL? Jersey. Lyrics or melody? Melody. Movie theater or arcade? Movie theater. Skating rink or putt-putt?

Putt putt. Guitar or piano? Guitar. Do you play any instruments? I used to play bass. A bass guitar? Yeah. Used to? I haven't touched that in years. Do you want to pick it back up at all? Absolutely not. Okay. Fair enough. Silly hats or silly socks. Silly socks. Tacos or sushi? Tacos. Pen and paper, phone notes or mental? Phone notes. Green or purple? Green. Battle against one horse-sized duck or 25 duck-sized horses. 25 duck-sized horses. House party of the club. House party. Lemon pepper or hot. Neither. Not a wing guy? Nope. Oh. You might not belong here, actually. We love our wings here, bro. It's a part of the culture. Writing at home, in the car or in the studio? At home.

Writing in the morning during the day or at night? At night. Ninjas or pirates. Ninjas. Part two of the rampage. Part two. Part two. Wow. That was one of our best this or that's. That was really good. Not gonna lie. If Ben actually slowed you down, he didn't do that. I know. Well, I didn't want to slow him down with this one, but about the writing process, like, you know, what is your process typically? I get a beat, I put in the logic and I and I punch in. He's a logic guy. Love it. I knew I liked him. Shout out logic. It's free. Ish gave it to me. There you go. Well. And Pro Tools look scary. I don't know if it's supposed to be free like that. That might be a cracked version. Anyway, he got it with his student ID. It came with his phone. It came with the phone. Now that I think about it, he's not going to school no more. I'm not sure how long my logic is gonna last. Yeah, those are the things. As long as you have the dot edu uh email email, I think you're good. That's right. I'm definitely getting the UNiDAYS discounted Apple Music off the dot EDU. That's why he likes Apple so much.

Hey, they show love to their students. This guy's not in college, he can't get the discount. Final part of the rapid fire rampage is the word association. This is for all the marbles. This is the final part. This is where you're you're approaching the hall of fame with that last session. So if you hit a home run on the word association, you might have a plaque in the mail on the way if we make Hall of Fame plaques for the rampage. I definitely need one of those. He definitely needs one. Sticks are high. We have to make them though. That would be amazing. Can we stop talking about it? This is like the third episode we've talked about it. Yeah, plastic. Make sure I get the first one though. Let's take action. We'll see if I get the association. Let's see I'm going to get the first one. I like his confidence. I'm gonna shoot you one word. You just shoot me the first thing that you think go right back at me. That simple. Okay, the less you think the better. Part three Rapid Fire Rampage. Rampage! Mushroom. Pizza. Drama. Club. Space.

Cadet. Flower. Pot. Studio. Time. Anxiety. Attack. OnlyFans. Sugars. Ops. Block. Lil. Tecca. Toilet. Bowl. Japan. Sushi. TikTok. Dance. Microphone. Off. Politics. Biden. Let you go. Bro. Wow. Wow. Wow. I wanted to interrupt, but then I was like, I want to see how good. this guy actually is. He was saying pot like before I finished the word flower. That was unreal. That's gonna be a tough edit for me to go back and forth with that one. I'm not gonna lie. Usually there's a lot of space.

Yeah. Man. That was incredible. Listen. The plaque is definitely gonna be ordered tonight. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. That was amazing, man. No, really, really great conversation. I think this is is this your first interview? Second. Ah damn it. Fucking hell. First podcast? First podcast. First podcast. We'll take a one more time exclusive. Yes. We've been having a lot of those, and I'm fucking pumped about it. Yes. No. Awesome artists. Really love all the music you put out. It sounds like you got so much shit in the vault. And you've been working with the right people, it sounds like that are like bringing out the best music. And I think that's beautiful, man. The fact that you've already started to find who those people are and recognize that shit. I know that you're still, you know, honing your sound, but like that's that's key. And I think that that's gonna open up the doors for you, especially because of you know all the relationships you've already started to build with Kyle and you know, the music being dope. I do think you need to give TikTok a better chance. I'll try.

And I'm I'm gonna be tapping in on, I'm gonna, you know, make sure I'm I'm staying tapped into your TikTok to see what you're up to. But I'll use TikTok if you switch to Apple Music. Ooh Deal. Deal. Nah, awesome, man. That is something I can definitely uh agree to. Good deal. really great conversation. Appreciate you coming on, man. Appreciate it, man. For real. Shout out Kyle in the building for setting it up. Yeah, CEO Kyle. And Henry, what are we doing, man? Getting out of here. We're getting out. Appreciate it, my guy. Peace.